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PeriodicallyPedantic

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  • I know, i had a whole discussion about this 2 years ago, which is why I changed my mind about this very topic (I used to be very much "things are public by default, no expectation of privacy in a social network).

    but that doesn't make it good. this is a problem with the design of lemmy IMO. Lemmy is the best popular option we have right now, and unfortunately popularity is important. Lemmy is already a ghost town, i cant imagine moving to an even smaller alternative.

    better than reddit, but far from perfect.

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  • god you keep being like "dont put words in the mouths of others" and you cant help doing it yourself, can you?

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  • I would like that, except moderators are already overworked without being forced to stay up to date on all the current dogwhistles.and the lemmy community in general is too small in general to sustain a healthy pool of mods.how fast can mods realistically respond to reports?

    What if I want an alternative where I'm fine with them being in the community as long as they stay away from my content?what I dont care what the mods say, I dont want them to be able to say things that I find hurtful to my friends in the comments of my posts?

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  • so then whats the solution here? I'm assuming you want harassment to stop.

    so the reddit way is a problem because the victim can't see it.so the solution is to provide a way for the victim to not be able to see it, without actually stopping the harassment?

    like... i dont get it. how is that an improvement? at least with the reddit way, the victim can put up hurdles to prevent the harasser from coming into their comments and flooding them with foul shit.

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  • you are (I know this is a shock) not the center of society. your ability to harass people without repercussion is a bug, not a feature.

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  • i mean, i've linked you to the conversation I had.

    have you tried to talk to anyone about it? or are you just some white dude confidently saying that nobody should change anything because it works for you, so it should work for everyone else?

    because you really sound like that.

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  • i just want a new way to harass?

    naw fam, i think you're looking to protect your existing way to harass people.

    the fact that youre suggesting someone just goes and makes their own instance shows that you're being astronomically disingenuous.

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  • yeah, me wanting to be a mod is totally consistent with my view, that I have expressed here, that mods are both overworked and ineffective. whats that? i didnt say it to you? no way! its almost like you created a crazy version of me in your head and accuse me of things based on it!

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  • a common response I've been getting is "blocking doesn't work, they just need to make a new account"but then they say "if its really a problem, then they just need to report the user"but if making a new account would defeat blocking, then making a new account would defeat reporting a user. its either effective in both places or neither place.

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  • oh hey, fuck you 👍 here is part of the conversation I had where I was convinced. Forgive me for not remembering all of the specifics, it was 2 years ago, and I failed to ask for the credentials as a minority. It took me a while to search it up.the conversation wasn't just about blocking, it was about how private social networks should be. I was saying that they should be default public, and users should have no expectation of privacy, and then this person explained how problematic that is for people who get persecuted, and why simply muting problematic people isn't sufficient.The whole conversation is branching IIRC so just walking up the context one comment at a time might not give the full story.

    can I explain it like they did? no. I'm not a minority, and this conversation was fucking 2 years ago. I've explained it the best i could, but since you think I'm lying or (god forbid) engaging in a post on hexbear, then you can go and fucking read the conversation for yourself. If you're not happy with their explanation, feel free to necro the post, but it was enough to convince me that just saying "shit is public and you can't expect to be able to prevent people from interacting with your content" isn't sufficient.

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  • Lemmy communities and irl communities are different things that only sometimes overlap.

    For example, the irl trans community could be harassed in a Lemmy gaming community. If mods aren't sympathetic, then they're torn between just accepting the harassment, or forking the gaming community. While this is what Lemmy was meant to do, practically most Lemmy communities aren't large enough to meaningful support more than one instance, so one of the instances is going to wither on the vine. And most Lemmy mods seem overworked, besides.

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  • Engaging with me is more than my ability to respond. Them replying to my content is still engaging with me, no matter if I can see it. Them telling misinformation to other people in my thread is still engaging with me.

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  • It's hard to tell exactly what you mean, but there are different sucky effects.

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  • How is "not letting you see what I personally wrote" consider to be "unilaterally silencing you" ?What a mind bogglingly disingenuous response.

    I'm not saying that the reddit style block is good.I'm saying that the current "mute" style block hangs vulnerable people out to dry.

    I'm ok trying something else, like maybe what you suggested.

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  • Yes, it is.

    Because it's my content.Because it's not just a public site, public/private is a false dichotomy. Because social networks need to provide effective anti-harassment tools, and if admins/mods are too overworked then that needs to be self-serviced.

    Defederation existsInstance bans existCommunity bans existWhy are all of those good, but individual bans aren't? Why are all of those effective (at least partially), but not for individuals? Or is the argument that all of those should be disposed of, too?

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  • I agree it has problems, but that doesn't mean that anything is better.

    Reporting someone is good, but isn't that subject to the exact same reasons why "it won't work"? If reddit style blocking someone isn't effective anyways, why would admin bans be effective?This assumes that admins and mods even have the capacity to deal with all this shit, which seems to be very uncertain.

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  • "won't someone think of the children" isn't always wrong.

    What's absolutely crazy to me is that you say "blocking won't work because they can get a new account" and then in the very same breath suggest that reporting is a viable strategy. Either it is or it isn't, which is it?

    Public/private discourse is a false dichotomy. What are your thoughts on a community's ability to ban someone? Should groups lose that ability, since apparently it's both ineffective and toxic, apparently?

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  • It being broken over there doesn't make it not broken over here.

    Report is good, but why should I have to let other people read my content? Why is this a hill you want to die on?

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  • Oh god, did Lemmy turn into a libertarian hellscape while I wasn't looking?

    What are your opinions on community bans, since all your arguments apply equally to those. Let me see you rectify those positions.