When you either have no personality outside of liking childrens toys, or you find yourself rushing into a store and elbowing people, potentially children, out of the way, so that you can get the toy first.
Well no, IM has generally always defaulted to a norm of much shorter messages.
But... fairly lengthy forum posts?
Yeah, that used to be pretty common.
And it used to be normal that if someone posted 'I ain't readin' all that', they would be mocked.
Now, its the reverse.
And also... yeah I am still baffled by people whose response to ... an introduction message, on some kind of dating app/site... is to just laugh at how long it is.
... I'd used OKCupid in its early days.
Generally?
If you took the time to actually read someone's profile, and... write something, based on shared interests... that was ... a good thing to do.
Shows that you actually care.
Now? Try to do the same thing?
Apparently people can't comprehend that an initial, long, introduction message, does not mean that all other messages will necessarily be as long, unless you explicitly tell people this.
I keep encountering this kind of behavior.
And I'm just doing the same thing I've been doing for ... almost 2 decades?
Like... for the record, it has 'worked' to at least some extent, I've had multiple year+ relationships that started from doing that...
Just seems like more and more people are having a hostile response to a lengthy intro.
Well, beyond creating an account when Elon basically accidentally bought it, to scream at him, untill in all likelihood, he personally banned me.
Twitter took off because celebrities and primarily Democrat politicians joined an used it as essentially a microblogging/messaging system.
Our first social steps into modern parasociality.
They were of course eventually more or less thoroughly routed and out-influenced by hordes of right wing 4 chan trolls, who were much, much more adept at understanding how information flow actually works on the internet.
... anyway, yeah, i more or less see lemmy and piefed and mastadon as the last sort of... strung together set of rafts, floating amidst a sea of corporate sponsored, literal insanity, at this point.
I am the most 'unsupervised internet access as a child' person I know, lol.
I just really really like computers, hahaha!
... I also am arguably even worse than the 'eternal september', lol, as I hadn't even gone through puberty when I first started talking to people online, via forums or AIM or mIRC or Ventrilo or what not.
But as far as writing experience goes... you're correct for a small subset of hyperliterate people, but generally your conclusion at this end is wrong.
Americans, American adults read and write at an average of a 5th grade level.
Around 15% of adults read and write at a 2nd grade level, functional illiteracy.
Something like less than 5% of American adults can read multiple news articles about the same topic, and compare and contrast the way they're differently presented, to determine bias and missing or emphasized details, differing framing, etc.
When I went to college, this was referred to as having a collegiate level of literacy, post 12th grade literacy.
Well, how many American adults have a bachelors degree or better, and have an accompanying collegiate level of literacy?
Roughly 38% have a 4 year degree or better.
Yet only about 5% of them can actually do critical analysis.
So, roughly 87% of college degrees were given to people who did not actually learn how to think.
You don't seem to understand how seriously the entire education system has already collapsed, how many college degrees are half comprised of what older, educated folks would just call remedial high school classes.
Our literacy numbers are comparable to those of what Trump refers to as 'shithole countries'.
The possibly optimistic way of looking at this is that certified morons will let you know they are such, so, writing something of moderate length effectively serves as a kind of shit-test.
Also, people seem to be mostly unaware that different formatting standards exist and make more sense for different viewing contexts.
I write the vast majority of my lemmy posts on mobile, because I engage with lemmy via mobile.
Every once in a while I get someone screeching at me about horrible formatting... it looks fine on mobile.
Sometimes I get much more polite critiques or suggestions, and then I just usually explain 'oh I use lemmy on mobile' and that is generally an amicable conversation...
But a good chunk of people are seemingly baffled and offended by the idea that anyone could be doing anything in a manner different from how they, personally, do it.
I mean, there's always gonna be some variability as to how people understand terms, and I personally lean much more toward your understanding, where its a uh...
Its more reminiscent of an ancient slab of greek or roman text, just, all letters, no spaces, no punctuation, ie, terribly formatted by modern english standards.
But, what I'm trying to describe is more of ... a visceral anger or mockery at the concept that someone would read more than about a single paragraph.
Its happening because people's brains are 'adapting' to the short form, brainrot mode of modern social media.
Everything is a clipshow.
If its longer than a clip, its boring, and or excruciating to attempt to parse, for people conditioned by things like TikTok.
I have had multiple VPs ask me complex, technical questions, and then I write them a complex, explanatory answer...
And the reply that I get back includes them literally just saying 'I didn't read anything that would have required me to scroll.'
These were boomers.
Fuck, man, ok, at that point, you're just asking a question to waste my time, apparently?
I'm not gonna dumb down concepts that can't be dumbed down and still meaningfully answer the question.
I was hired here because I have specialized skills, if you're too stupid to understand them, maybe realize that good leadership is more about knowing when to defer to your trusted experts, than it is about feeling like you are in total control and understanding of everything, all the time.
It really is no wonder why the entire economy is collapsing, the elites really are just pantomiming a caricature of having a job, doing a job, being an important person.
We've 'boys club'd and nepotism'd our way into mass executive incompetence.
... The reliance on machines to do their thinking has more or less made them into actual NPCs.
First it was the combined effect of all of the media machines of capitalism, providing so many distractions and distortions.
Now... its much more direct, formidable, capable... total.
Just go look into the number of people who've killed themselves or others after more or less being goaded or gaslit into by... their only friend, ChatGPT.
Its realworld cyberpsychosis, from Cyberpunk 2077.
So you then just... never develop any actual reading or writing skills.
Its turning people into something akin to zombies, more or less. Either that or maybe just trying to think of it as some new kind of addiction or mental disability would be a more apt comparison?
I... its baffling, I can barely comprehend how significant and widespread this problem is... when I was in elementary school, I finished assignments and such so fast, with such frequency, that I would get assigned to go out into the hallway and help other kids who were struggling with reading skills, I'd help them read through books, sound out words, explain what they mean.
Thats my point of reference here, I'm back in 2nd grade, helping (probably dyslexic) 4th graders learn how to read.
to the best of my memory, at least in my experience, i think it originated on, or perhaps was popularized on early reddit, like, pre 2010, perhaps earlier in other forums?
i guess i would not be surprised if it actually originated on tumblr and then made its way to reddit, but yeah, i think i remember it basically 'becoming a thing' roughly around 2008ish? On reddit?
Ah fuck, apparently its first recorded usage was on usenet in 2002.
I may have been using the internet since the 90s, but I also was under the age of 10 for most of the 90s, so... yeah I did not exactly know as much about usenet, as say... gamefaqs, and neopets lol.
I've been ridiculed, though also praised, for my relative overuse of ... ellipsis, to indicate a pause in speech, or like, a hanging concept, to be later expanded on.
Many people these days apparently just do not know how ... what I understand as basic grammar and syntax ... how that works.
Of course, that may have something to do with many teachers just literally teaching books by reading aloud or assigning the actual cliff notes summary, instead of the actual book.
Average adult US literacy levels are approximately that of a 5th grader.
Most people are very nearly functionally illiterate now, roughly 15% are at or below a 2nd grade level, so they actually are functionally illiterate.
Uh, just in general, people tend to react horrifically to long messages, 'walls of text'.
... even on discussion boards, like here on lemmy, or as a first intro message to someone on some kind of dating app/site.
I've been using the internet since the mid 90s.
It did not used to be like this.
People thought of messages as letters, like emails.
Now, a lot of people will get viscerally angry or disgusted in basically nearly any digital context if you send a message that's longer than roughly double the original Twitter character limit.
Hooray for normalizing slogans and soundbites in lieu of actual discourse, hooray for kicking off the trend of destroying our collective capacity to read multiple paragraphs at a time, great job Dorsey.
Again, none of this data is perfect, there are a lot of gaps, but its probably reasonably accurate as a starting point.
Paraguay: ~19 / 100,000
Central African Republic
&
Antigua and Barbados: ~10 / 100,000
Jamaica & South Africa: ~9 / 100,000
Compare that to:
US: ~3 / 100,000
Mexico: ~6 / 100,000
Canada: ~1 / 100,000
Thats all femicides, out of 100,000 women, per year.
So... in the US... a man is more likely to just be murdered, for any reason ( ~ 9 / 100,000 men ) than a woman is, for any reason ( ~ 2.5 / 100,000 women ).
A US Man is also more likely to be just murdered for any reason than a woman is to be specifically femicided ( 9 vs 3 out of 100k ).
Something like ~90% to 80% of women who are killed, who are homicided, are killed by someone they know well, often an intimate partner, which often is a femicide...
... But a guy randomly, awkwardly failing at flirting or just communicating with a woman... is what the stats categorize as a stranger, not an intimate partner, family member, etc.
So... the idea that random men who approach women are... likely to homicide them?
Basically no, if anything its the sort of relationship opposite, statistically, women need to worry about the men they're already in substantial relationships with, more so than a rando they've never met before...
... as women are homicided by strangers far, far less than men are.
IPV is a signifcant proprotion of violence done to women in the US, but its a significant proportion of ... just a smaller pie chart, than the amount of violence done to men, if we're going by violence = murder.
But... how often are men homicided by women strangers?
I genuinely have no idea.
Like I said, I can find 'men killed by strangers' but not 'men killed by strangers who are women'.
I don't know if that data exists, in a readily available format... theoretically I could try to do my own comprehensive meta analysis of existing data sets, but normally people get paid to do that level of research, lol.
Women who are homicided in the US are more likely to specifically be femicided, killed because they are a woman... but again, thats mostly from established existing partners, not randos... and they're also just about 2.5x less likely than men to be murdered, for any reason.
I honestly don't think anyone even bothers to study or keep data on 'androcide', the specific killing of a man because he is a man, a man killed by a woman he is in a substantial relationship with.
That's what I mean by... there's no data specific enough to attempt to actually answer your question, which I guess could also be roughly approximated as 'what are femicide rates vs androcide rates?'
I'm still waiting for a build and a price point for it.
Would you like to see the build I've been planning out for a while?
Its not an attempt to replicate a Steam Machine, its more of a... maximum possible bang for your buck build... it does have a similar form factor though, and an unconventional kind of architecture...
...though I did try to replicate a PS5 price point/performance parity build a while back... turns out, its not as easy as you may think to just lay out a PC build that's actually pretty close in price/performance to a non PC standard architecture, made by a large corporation.
Or did you just want to do some namecalling, and entirely avoid actually backing up your claim?
Pretty much that, yes.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tankie
Mildly amusingly... it is apparently also a slang term for a tank engine, as in, a steam powered train.
Choo-Choo!