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  • It would have already crumbled to the ground in the 1900's if we didn't have them.

    The US government cares only about money. They don't give a fuck about us, as evidenced by our healthcare system.

    We are expendable to them. Had we not have the guns we have now I truly believe it would have all ended for us a lot sooner and be significantly worse than it is now.

    I know other countries manage. Other countries aren't managed by a bunch of rich pedophiles that will let children and people die for the sake of "saving" $50 on an insurance claim.

    Tell you what how about this, how about they take the guns from the police and ice and IRS and dea and atf and then we can sure talk about getting rid of our guns. But that will never ever happen.

  • Yeahbwe should just make a campfire and talk to them while we are at it maybe get scoutmaster Dan to play the guitar for us while we all figure our peaceful solutions together.

    They murder us in the street at protests, idk if you have seen it on tv. They are singlehandedly crashing the economy on purpose so they can extract as much from it for themselves as they can.

    I would love for school shootings to stop and I think if a kid gets a gun there is an adult or likely a few that fucked up and shouldn't have given the kid a gun.

    But taking them away from all of us isnt going to get the north side of Saint Louis or the south side of Chicago to just give them up this is what I don't get you think when they made meth illegal it just disappeared? Can't find it anymore right?

    This whole take the guns away stance is them brainwashing you into believing that they will do right once you don't have guns anymore.

    They aren't raking them away from the police. They aren't taking them away from ice. And the IRS. Until they do that, fuck them I will have guns and I will suggest others do too. Just keep them away from your kids

  • For sure and maggots in pasta sauce and all kinds of other fun stuff. You can't take stuff like that out completely in mass produced food.

    Although, that was pretty bad for them to have issued a recall the FDA usually isn't too strict so it was probably pretty bad.

    But I was just making a joke because you were like "damn why don't these taste the same" and its like, boom rat shit. I know it wasn't in the chips but it was just funny to me.

  • Well this was mainly just me fucking with the guy as a joke but if you read that article nah, they had rat shit and piss around human food and medicine.

    Most places do not have that going on. And the FDA allows for a lot of wiggle room about bugs and stuff being in food I already know there can be maggots and all kinds of stuff legally in out food, at certain amounts.

    But if even the FDA says its so bad it should be recalled man it was probably pretty bad because they aren't the best in the world with standards and I say that as someone who eats the food they say is ok.

  • You are right on that.

    I hope that in the end this does end up all working out and I was just one of the crazy guys worried for no reason.

    But either way I still think it is disappointing they did this so quickly and that they're using a US push in law be such a deciding factor in originally pushing for it. It felt like that was the same way when they banned Russian maintainers. The USA and especially specific states shouldn't have this much pull especially over open source community driven projects in my opinion.

  • I agree on everyone should be using E2E Encryption. Its an absolute disgrace that that was even mentioned in the court case at all as a possible link to terrorism.

    I disagree that the state cant enforce this at least in a targeted way but, I really hope you are right in the end though.

    I guess we will see.

  • You control what you install on your pc and I'd be willing to bet that whatever open source OS it is, probably uses Systemd. Unless you're a Unix person.

    They have set this up in a way that yes, right now at 11:21pm UTC on March 24th it isn't being enforced or required.

    But because of the replies of some of the maintainers in their github about this very merge they are suggesting that as soon as it becomes hard law, it will be enforced by them.

    Particularly the part where one was replying to a system76 developer who mentioned that they are in talks with state legislators right now, that these proposed laws are very possibly going to be overturned, and that open source software might not even be required to do this at all and that we should give it more tim before we do something like this and the reply was:

    "It is possible that California law will be changed. But similar ideas are popping up in other contexts and it's unlikely that they'll all go away. This implementation is fairly generic and useful for other things besides age verification, so we shouldn't decide whether to merge it or not based on a single law in any jurisdiction."

    This suggests that they are doing this because of laws and ideas like this that are coming into play. And that they didn't want to wait on the confirmation of whether it was law or not, they did it anyway. Why? That's not very open. That isn't really taking a stand to support Linux or its users that is voluntarily getting ahead of the control mechanism that "similar ideas" are going to use.

    They shouldn't have done this. In mine, and many, many other peoples opinions as well.

  • No no no, NOT "meeting the law" this has not been made law in USA yet which is the law they referenced when mentioning this merge.

    You should read the thread in github.

    A system76 developer said he's in talk with state representatives, that this might even be overturned, and that it might not even affect open source software at all and one of the systemd maintainers said and I quote:

    "It is possible that California law will be changed. But similar ideas are popping up in other contexts and it's unlikely that they'll all go away. This implementation is fairly generic and useful for other things besides age verification, so we shouldn't decide whether to merge it or not based on a single law in any jurisdiction." -keszybz

    That seems like bending the knee pretty fucking hard man.

    What they have done is proven that they can bully and harass open source software into submission. They should have waited until FORCED to do something like this but it seems like they're beyond eager to lick anyone's boots USA or otherwise.

    Linux distros are not US entities bound to US law the last I checked (of course you have your Redhats and etc. And I guess maybe their Fedora distro might fall under us jurdistiction since its developed by red hat but I'm not sure because of being open sourced licensed.

    They've bent the knee before with banning Russian and I think Chinese Linux kernal maintainers before which was also fucking bullshit.

    The USA shouldn't be able to swing its dick around and force the whole world into submission but boy it sure seems to get to every single year more and more and more.

    And a lot of people here support it its so sad.

    Anyway I'm getting off track with this but seriously no, they should have taken a stand not only for all of us but for Linux as a whole because systemd is a part of Linux as a whole.

    If forced, I understand. This was not forced. This was suggested, merged welcomed and the thread locked as soon as any pushback happened.

    Doesn't seem very open anymore to be honest.

  • I got so angry until I realized it was you lol

    Your wit and humor are hard to ascertain sometimes but I do enjoy it

  • Legally banned = electronics seized, fines, and jail time when they catch you circumventing it and decide they want to make an example out of you.

    I'm sure that won't ever be used negatively or to target specific groups like investigative journalists and whistleblowers.

    You not taking it seriously and trying to convince others to not take it seriously won't make a better outcome.

  • I know right? Egypt, Tanzania, China, India, Iran, Iraq, Myanmar, Oman, Pakistan, Turkey, Turkminestan, The UAE, Belarus, and Russia all have laws outright banning or restricting (you know, not business but individuals [yes, they can do that]) VPN usage.

    But it won't happen here! You can take that to the bank.

  • I know dude, literally everyone ignores this. Its like an ostrich putting it's head in the sand.

  • You are right because maybe then they would lose some money and that is the only thing the us government cares about.

    So once you start disrupting that, maybe shit will get different. Idk though, I'm not very optimistic about most things tbh.

    However its worth noting that, in the actual github commit one of the developers for system 76 said that they are in talks with legislators right now and that this may be overturned, not even apply to open source operating systems, etc.

    And one of the maintainers said and I quote, "It is possible that California law will be changed. But similar ideas are popping up in other contexts and it's unlikely that they'll all go away. This implementation is fairly generic and useful for other things besides age verification, so we shouldn't decide whether to merge it or not based on a single law in any jurisdiction." -keszybz

    So, it kind of seems like they have a rock hard erection to lick any pair of boots they can, not just the USA ones.

  • I already have the distros downloaded that are against this.

    If it comes for my favorite distro that I use everyday I will immediately uninstall it and instance one of the ones that isn't bending over to let Uncle Sam and others take them from behind.

    All they had to do was say they wouldn't support people from the places that those laws were or would be enacted in. That's it. That's all they fucking had to do.

    I will also add that it disappoints me so so much that so many of my fellow Linux enthusiasts aren't more upset or even just plain old cautious about this.

    It actually hurts my head to think about. I don't get it. Don't we all usually have about the same goals in mind with this? Open, meaning not invasive. Not windows (spyware) and no telemetry meaning privacy respecting?

    What the fuck is happening?

  • It will be used to target certain individuals and "nail" their proverbial "balls to the wall" when they want to ruin your life for not complying.

    A us court just convicted people as terrorists and one of the main reasons they cited is that they were using signal.

    "This individual circumvented security measures enacted by the united States to keep people and the children™ safe from online threats both foreign and domestic. The individual conspired with multiple other people some of them from other countries, oops we meant foreign adversaries, to destroy or circumvent this framework we had in place"

    Only thing I can mainly compare it to is how weed isn't legal in a lot of places but they usually don't care, until they suddenly do and your life is fucked.

    Think of people like Ken Klippenstein and your Edward Snowdens (who used tails to leak a lot of their illegal spying shit btw which is us made btw where these laws are starting to gain traction the most [yes I see Brazil too])

    It will be used to target individuals and destroy their lives through the process.

    "Oh also since you're not using the OS level biometric whatever we enacted this is an illegal machine and we are seizing it. Oh, you had whistleblower reports about government corruption? What government corruption Ken we didn't find those files but we did find evidence if you being antifa"

    And if you think I'm just some paranoid schizophrenic and this could never happen then you haven't been paying attention.

  • I think you underestimate the technology they have now especially in relation to an event that happened in the 1940's.

    Its like the Stasi but ten thousand times more sophisticated and every bit as motivated.

    Maybe even more motivated, because it generates money for them when they have businesses do it (Palantir) and provides "value" to the markets. Because money and control is absolutely all they care about (in the USA)

  • The bigger problem being the government with guns that makes you follow their surveillance laws?

    Also most people don't run IT infrastructure. Most people will not be able to escape this when it turns in to full blown surveillance.

  • Yupp 100% optional.

    for now