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OBJECTION!

@ Objection @lemmy.ml

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If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they're lying.

Evidence or GTFO.

  • Assessing new allegations that Trump was recruited by the KGB

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  • Yeah, like my eyes and ears show me an American billionaire doing American billionaire things but people want me to ignore that and blame the USSR through some bullshit speculation bordering on a conspiracy theory with absolutely nothing to show my eyes in ears, in order to reaffirm loyalty to the state and to capitalism. Seems pretty relevant to this situation indeed.

  • Assessing new allegations that Trump was recruited by the KGB

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  • Yeah, imagine basing your beliefs on evidence.

  • Assessing new allegations that Trump was recruited by the KGB

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  • I don't know what's going to happen once this generation of politicians dies off and there's no plausible way to accuse anyone of having ties to the USSR. Will people keep saying it anyway even when it makes even less sense, or will they just switch over to China? Obviously we have to keep accusing right-wingers of somehow having ties to communists, no matter how convoluted or nonsensical it may be, because how else are libs supposed to demonstrate that they're "one of the good ones?"

    We’ll probably never know the truth. But even with no slam-dunk evidence, the allegations should be, to say the least, disturbing, especially for the genuine patriots in the MAGA camp.

    Hey, here's an idea, maybe it won't, and shouldn't be disturbing to them if it's just allegations with no hard evidence? Maybe people should be disturbed by things that are based on, you know, actual facts?

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    How do you (republican) Americans feel after Trump/Vance meltdown?

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  • Democrats were helping because its in US interests to help, the moral implications of defending a country from invaders is secondary.

    When you talk about US interests, do you mean the state's interests, or the people's interests?

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    How do you (republican) Americans feel after Trump/Vance meltdown?

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  • I'm not a republican (are there any on here?), but as a communist, I saw this an the inevitable conclusion from the start. You can get people invested in whatever if the news is on about it, but fundamentally, you're asking Americans to care about a conflict halfway around the globe that most people can't even find on a map, for an indefinite period of time, after we just got out of another conflict with no exit strategy that lasted 20 years and left everyone worse off, at a time when domestic material conditions are in decline.

    Afghanistan, everyone said we couldn't leave because it meant Al Qaida would win and "if we don't fight them over there, we'll have to fight them over here," but after 20 years of bloodshed we finally just went home and let the "bad guys" win and simply stopped thinking about it. Then the same people said the same thing about Ukraine. Maybe it could've dragged on as long as Afghanistan (and maybe it still will) but at the end of the day it's not an existential threat and we have too many problems at home for people to really care, hard to say there should be a blank check to Ukraine when people are struggling over here. Obviously, on lemmy people still care because of high political engagement and the demographics represented here.

    As for the specific interaction, anyone who views our politicians as representative of the people should already have a rock-bottom opinion of us, if it took til Trump (not only that, but his second term) for someone to realize American politicians are vile, then their opinion seems pretty uninformed and I can't say I care much what they think.

    The thing is that a lot of people have lost faith in the idea of "benevolent interventionism" without concern for pragmatism. One of Trump's secrets to success has been that he's been able to triangulate and appeal to people regardless of why they disagree with the idea, and liberals help him out with that by painting everyone who disagrees with it with the same brush. Honestly, after Afghanistan, I imagine pressing Zelensky on a time frame and an exit strategy will go over neutral at worst to the median voter, much as people on here might hate to hear it.

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  • But we also have oligarchs and dark money, yeah? Even if they are bots, how could someone possibly know that they're specifically Russian bots? Have you considered the possibility that these bots could be funded by American billionaires, either true believers (because, again, there is a very old and deeply rooted mistrust of science especially in rural conservative areas) or for some ulterior motive, same as the Russians would be?

    This is where, to me, to be frank, it makes more sense to treat the claim as more of a psychological coping mechanism. It has to be specifically Russian bots because the point is to externalize the problem as far as possible. American billionaires funding health misinfo would create the same psychological discomfort as if it didn't come from bots at all.

    To be clear, I don't dispute that bots exist, or that bots have spread health misinfo. But I think the extent is exaggerrated, and I think it serves as an all too easy excuse to dismiss stuff that's incongruent with one's worldview. And I'm not inclined to think that people need some sort of external force to believe and spread health misinfo or distrust of science. Like, there's a full-on creationist museum in Kentucky, this isn't just some new online thing.

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  • I saw that was what they were going for but I have absolutely no idea how it relates to my comment lol.

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  • This was later well documented.

    OK, so if it's well documented, then where is the documentation?

    I don't really want to listen to a 25 minute podcast and I read your BBC source and it only talked about vaccines, there wasn't a single word about things like shampoo.

    I'd be curious to know exactly how deep this goes, since science skepticism and anti-intellectualism goes way back. Was Russia behind the controversy over evolution, going back to the Scopes trial? Were they behind the Satanic Panic? Maybe Russia funded Jack Chick to talk about how Dungeons and Dragons is teaching children to practice real magic. I know, let's go even further back, the Catholic Church only took issue with Galileo because Russia paid them to.

    Or maybe, there's a long history of anti-science sentiment, particularly in the US, and Americans have autonomy and can use to believe stupid things and do so all the time and have always done so.

    I stg, it's bad enough blaming Trump on Russia but this is seriously taking it to the next level. How did Russia even manage to acquire the power to influence American culture to such a degree? And if they can do that while having significantly less money and being significantly more distant, then surely our own intelligence agencies can do the same, right? Please help me make sense of this.

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  • Do you have any sort of evidence that connects the Russian government to things like not using shampoo?

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  • What?

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  • It's pretty convienient how all bad things stem from a single, external source, preventing the need for any sort of internal societal reckoning. How fortunate that we were born on the good guys' side and all we need to do is focus on our states' geopolitical enemies, and if they can be kept in check, it'll solve every one of our domestic issues, upto and including old wives tales.

  • Plight of the Luddite

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  • Propaganda is the reason the word took on that meaning.

  • Argentina president faces impeachment calls over crypto crash

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  • Read the article. It's not Bitcoin, it's another cryptocurrency called Libra, which just did this:

  • What was your earliest experiences with the Internet like?

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  • One of the earliest things I can remember was encountering a thread on the forums of nuklearpower.com (home of the 8-Bit Theater webcomic) that simply asked, "Religious people, why do you believe in God?" and that was the first time I ever had ever encountered atheist perspectives or questioned what my parents taught me. At the time, there was very much this idea of, "Nobody ever changed their mind from an internet argument" but the internet exposed me to a lot of different views that I would never have encountered otherwise (see also: queer people).

    Other than that, I used to gather around with friends to browse icanhazcheezeburger and failblog and stuff. I stayed up late grinding levels in RuneScape. Newgrounds and flash games were a big thing. Some of my friends were into 4chan in the early days when it was more about edgy shock humor than straight up Nazis. There was social media like MySpace and Facebook but I had no interest in them bc I was a nerd. There were a lot more random little websites that passed around by word of mouth.

  • 'Are Your Grocery Bills Lower?' Ad Targets Soaring Price of Eggs Under Trump.

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  • Is that really more cost-effective than billboards in swing states?

  • 'Are Your Grocery Bills Lower?' Ad Targets Soaring Price of Eggs Under Trump.

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  • That'll matter.

  • 'Are Your Grocery Bills Lower?' Ad Targets Soaring Price of Eggs Under Trump.

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  • Eggs are both especially expensive due to bird flu and a cheap staple that many people relied on. Everything has gotten more expensive due to inflation but they made an extreme and relatable example.

  • 'Are Your Grocery Bills Lower?' Ad Targets Soaring Price of Eggs Under Trump.

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  • Christ, if you stopped trying to judge the moral rightness of voters for half a minute you might figure out how to actually win an election.

  • 'Are Your Grocery Bills Lower?' Ad Targets Soaring Price of Eggs Under Trump.

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  • Good, but why put it in Times Square?

  • What's the weirdest defense you've seen used to justify belief in God?

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  • The weirdest to me are variations of, "If God didn't exist it would make me feel bad." Uhh???