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  • Well compared to the strix, 400GB/s is not that bad, I think with fast system RAM and expert offloading you could squeeze quite something out of it when running stuff in the 100b-a10b regions.

    Your bigger problem is going to be future software support.

  • In case you missed the Ornith 1.0 release (Qwen and Gemma RL finetunes for agentic / coding workloads), they look interesting to bridge the gap until we see larger 3.6 models or a 3.7 release. I didn't test them yet but according to benchmarks, the 35b MoE seems to be more or less on par with Qwen3.6 27b dense, while ofc a lot faster.

  • You can control how much context should be fitted with --fit-ctx and how much space the algorithm should leave unallocated (even on a per-GPU basis) with --fit-target.

  • I currently run Qwen3.6-27b on llama.cpp and use it via openwebui. Mostly, I use it for web research via tavily, to a lesser extent for coding and interactively learning about things that are new to me but common in training data (such as basic math or ML concepts).

  • Given the 27b is a dense model, I think the numbers are quite ok. Curious about the quant tho.

    The cool thing about the strix is its large unified memory, but it lacks memory bandwith for compute intensive workloads. Something like Qwen3.5-122b MoE with only like 12b active parameters might run at twice the speed if it fits the configuration.

  • Since implementation of the --fit parameter and its relatives, and --fit on becoming the default, llama.cpp intelligently decides what to offload. For me, it made --n-cpu-moe obsolete.

  • You might want to check out heretic or similar tools. I did not try it but there are a lot of heretic finetunes available ond HF.

  • LocalLLaMA @sh.itjust.works

    Gemma4 12b released with "unified" approach to multi-modality

    huggingface.co /google/gemma-4-12B
  • Late to the party, but this was just released: LiquidAI/LFM2.5-8B-A1B-GGUF

    I guess you could fully fit it at Q4 with a little context if you need all the speed you can get, or offload the experts to RAM if you prefer higher quality and/or more context.

  • Your biggest issue with 2010 cards will be software (inference engine) support, I assume.

  • To add some practical advice:

    It depends on what you mean by more advanced models. I run Qwen3.6-27b on 48GB VRAM across 3 cards (RTX 2000e Ada), and with the recent software optimizations merged into llama.cpp (tensor parallelism & MTP) I get around 30 tokens per second in generation. I use the model through openwebui for (agentic) web research and simple Q&A mostly and I'm quite happy with what it can do.

    If you want something similar, maybe look at one or two second hand V100 PCIE 32GB. Or something from the Intel Arc Pro series, if you don't mind the software support lacking behind a bit (as in less optimized).

    Also it might be worth reading into the difference of dense vs MoE models, if you're new to that. For MoE models, if your system RAM is fast enough, it's often viable to offload the "experts" (largest parts of such models) to RAM, reducing VRAM capacity needs. Note that server motherboards with e.g. octa-channel RAM have a huge advantage over consumer boards (making DDR4 interesting despite slower speed per module).

    And to adress your last question, while I have no direct experience, I've seen posts online about people connecting Strix Halo or DGX Spark devices, but usually via a 10+Gbit/s switch as interconnect is crucial (except if you just want to load balance).

    Self-hosting LLMs is a very fun thing to do, but also a time- and money-consuming rabbit hole. You might wanna check out the LocalLlama community over at shitjustworks.

    Edit: typos

  • Using MTP combined with tensor parallelism, I was able to go from running Qwen3.6 27b at ~7t/s to ~30t/s which I think is an insane boost (3x RTX 2000e Ada).

  • LocalLLaMA @sh.itjust.works

    llama.cpp: don't sleep on --split-mode tensor

    github.com /ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/19378
  • A lot has been said, but to add to the list I'd say it gives them access to quite a large pool of free testers.

    LLM architectures and optimization techniques change rapidly and by releasing open-weight models a lot of enthusiasts will evaluate new models for free, help implement support in inference engines, catch bugs etc. (and in turn, ofc, get a new model to run for free, so it's at least somewhat symbiotic).

    We have at least seen this quite obviously when Alibaba released Qwen3-Next, which was a somewhat undertrained but still useful model which introduced the architecture that their latest models now use "in production" (also their paid "Max" models).

  • LocalLLaMA @sh.itjust.works

    Gemma 4 is here

    huggingface.co /collections/google/gemma-4
  • Global sustainability rules???

  • I don't follow the discussions on this topic very closely, but as I understood, there are different ways to achieve the goal, but all impact quality to some extent. Heretic is discussed as one one of the SOTA methods.

  • LocalLLaMA @sh.itjust.works

    Smaller qwen3.5 models released

    huggingface.co /collections/Qwen/qwen35
  • Yeah I enjoy it as well. Just in case you missed it - a fix was merged into llama.cpp two days ago which is said to improve quality.

    Edit: I stand corrected - the fix for the issue you're experiencing has not yet been merged.

  • LocalLLaMA @sh.itjust.works

    Qwen3-Coder-Next

    huggingface.co /Qwen/Qwen3-Coder-Next
  • I see. When I run the inference engine containerized, will the container be able to run its own version of CUDA or use the host's version?

  • LocalLLaMA @sh.itjust.works

    Relevance of GPU driver version for inference performance

  • LocalLLaMA @sh.itjust.works

    Magistral-Small-2509 by Mistral has been released

    huggingface.co /mistralai/Magistral-Small-2509
  • LocalLLaMA @sh.itjust.works

    Qwen3-Next with 80b-a3b parameters is out

    huggingface.co /collections/Qwen/qwen3-next-68c25fd6838e585db8eeea9d
  • LocalLLaMA @sh.itjust.works

    ExLlamaV3 adds tensor parallelism support

    github.com /turboderp-org/exllamav3/releases/tag/v0.0.6
  • LocalLLaMA @sh.itjust.works

    New, promising MoE model "Hunyuan" by Tencent

    huggingface.co /tencent/Hunyuan-A13B-Instruct
  • LocalLLaMA @sh.itjust.works

    Do you quantize models yourself?

  • Selfhosted @lemmy.world

    Any experience with Pangolin?

  • Technology @lemmy.world

    More than 140 Kenya Facebook moderators diagnosed with severe PTSD

    www.theguardian.com /media/2024/dec/18/kenya-facebook-moderators-sue-after-diagnoses-of-severe-ptsd
  • Selfhosted @lemmy.world

    Chaining routers and GUA IPv6 addresses

  • Selfhosted @lemmy.world

    Any of you have a self-hosted AI "hub"? (e.g. for LLM, stable-diffusion, ...)

  • Selfhosted @lemmy.world

    Migrated my self-hosted Nextcloud to AIO and I absolutely love it