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  • Yes, that's true. It was definitely not my intent to imply that such people are not professionals. They do seem to be a very small part of the overall software developer world. To me it seems like 90% of devs are doing full stack UI, API, DB type stuff. But it probably seems the other way to people doing the other things.

  • Oh yes, I definitely agree with this. If you NEED an IDE that's certainly not a good sign no matter what you're working in. Although I can see in certain codebases with huge amounts of macros, functions, weird or inconsistent syntax, that an IDE might be basically necessary to be productive. But for sure agreed that I could do my job just via a text editor if I had to. Sure wouldn't enjoy it though 😅

  • I admit I haven't known any Unix hackers! I guess my type of work had me assuming they would still prefer an IDE. What is it about this kind of development that makes you prefer text editors, if you don't mind my asking?

  • Still super cool to hear about your workflow. Makes me wish I had an excuse to spend time experimenting with that stuff.

  • Everyone has given many good and enlightening responses but picking yours to put the majority of my thoughts in. Yes, for sure I can see there being more specialized disciplines that don't make much use of IDE's. I shouldn't have made the same mistake as the meme! Not to sound like an LLM but "you're absolutely right!" lol. I certainly have my niche and I can see people spending their whole career in a niche where IDEs are superfluous. I like your balanced take on it.

  • The Minecraft world editor? They use that for developing non-Minecraft world software? That's pretty fascinating. What sort of things do they develop with it?

  • Hey, I was explicitly being open to being wrong and acknowledging that I may simply not have encountered those kinds of professionals. I don't even think I was being hostile, only saying that from my perspective the idea of this meme is a misunderstanding propagated by people with less experience.

    But rather than present any evidence, even anecdotal, taking it personally (even as a joke) serves only to publicly make me look more correct 🤷

  • I have never seen or known a serious professional who preferred to work outside of a full featured IDE. All the most skilled and highest paid developers I've ever known were more adamant about using the IDE when compared to the less skilled developers who preferred to do things more via command line and text editors. Just my experience. I often suspect that this meme is shared and liked by people who aren't really professionals. Perhaps I just haven't encountered them yet.

    Edit: It seems I indeed haven't encountered them! Although I do stand by my original point to the extent that it seems there are disciplines where IDEs are best and disciplines where they aren't. I enjoyed reading everyone's responses and thinking about areas of software that I don't usually think about. It's given me lots to look into. Thanks everyone who responded nicely! Also, I definitely did not mean to imply that specialists working without IDEs are amateurs or anything like that! Much respect to everyone out there making software.

  • They gave the US sovereignty of parts of Greenland? I tried searching for news on this but couldn't find anything. What are you referring to?

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  • Yeah, the US! That's the big ball in the picture!

  • Now THAT'S the real pie in the sky idea. I think you could realistically get the government paying $5M to some architectural firm to design le "haunting" brutalist monument which is le "stark reminder" of "dark times" that we will "never let happen again", but zero chance anyone gets reparations unless they pay a lawyer and go to court over it

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  • Yeah this comic reeks of manufactured gender war content

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  • I feel like this joke would be a lot funnier without any of the bumper stickers, just playing on the Subaru meme. Or maybe just a single pride flag.

    As it is, each bumper sticker seems like an additional layer of desperation from the artist to make sure you get their joke. Which isn't particularly clever or funny to begin with tbh...

  • The fact that even the vast, legendary popularity of Star Wars hasn't helped in that regard kind of makes me question the ability of fiction to make an impact in society's way of thinking, sad as that is to consider

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  • Wow, even with everything going on these days it's been a long time since I've seen this fella. I can't believe I'm getting a nostalgia wave over god damn Pedobear of all things

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  • Mrw my coworker tells me they have to use the bathroom during a meeting and I start violently vomiting from the visceral images and imagined scent of their shit and piss. And then everyone acts like I'M the weird one

  • No disrespect, but I believe you have missed my point - I understood that you're pointing out that only looking at English literacy is shortsighted. I'm suggesting that English literacy is by far the only significant metric when it comes to someone's ability to function, especially with poltical wisdom, in the United States. It doesn't really matter if half the population is fluent in Vietnamese when all the political debates are in English. This forces them to rely on third-party (questionable) commentary and interpretation for all their news and understanding of the political environment.

    If we were talking about a country like Switzerland, where signage, documents, and official material is easily accessible in multiple languages, and where political discussion widely occurs im multiple languages, then I would agree that measuring only German literacy is misleading and not meaningful. But the United States is not that type of country, so it is specifically English literacy that matters, especially when we're talking about being politically informed.

    TLDR; if I speak fluent Latin, but no other languages, and I live in Kentucky, it is pretty fair to describe me as illiterate. The literacy I do possess functionally does not exist.

  • It looks like around one third of the illiterate group was not born in the U.S, so I would guess it's somewhere around there. That still means over half of the illiterate group was born and raised in the U.S, which to me can only be a fault of education whether they're fluent in other languages or not.

  • On the other hand, if even the Daily Mail with their pretty prominent right leaning bias is putting out this report, I find that more alarming than the same report coming from, say NYT.