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jsomae

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polite leftists make more leftists

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more leftists make revolution

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  • Can you explain what Unit 731 has to do with Dr. He?

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  • Okay, I do relate to this argument. It's the ethics review board's decision and not his to make. Fair enough. In this case, I am disappointed by the ethic review board's decision, which is why I sympathize with the doctor.

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  • "because that would be eugenics" is not an explanation. You're just asserting that eugenics is bad, which is begging the question -- this is a post about the ethics of eugenics. You can't just come in and say "eugenics is bad because it's eugenics."

    Anyway, I don't think anyone is calling China's former One Child Policy eugenics.

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  • Most of us are equipped for rape and murder, but we don't have a right to it.

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  • Newborns need medical treatments all the time and can't consent. I agree that the inability to consent should encourage non-intervention -- for instance, we shouldn't "correct" intersex infants' genitals -- but there is a limit to this.

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  • Who are you even responding to?

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  • This is a universal criticism of doing anything which is intended to be morally good.

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  • Many kinds of early-in-life medical interventions can have permanent negative effects if they go bad, but nonetheless our ethical standards don't preclude them. This is a field where the ethical standards are suffocatingly high without good reason. As an aside, we should consider euthanizing newborns who suffer debilitatingly severe negative side effects due to any kind of failed medical intervention (with parental consent, of course). This will directly improve quality-of-life standards and also allow us to lower ethical standards on experimental treatments too.

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  • This is very hypothetical. You could make the same argument about any experimental medical intervention in a child's life. If I had the choice of being born with HIV or an experimental procedure with some (how much?) chance of risk, I'd chose the procedure. I think the criticism of this form of treatment is highly coloured because it sounds like "playing god."

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  • Israeli student arrested for Nazi salute at Auschwitz during school trip

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  • that's an antizionist gesture. Some fascists like to pretend antisemitism = antizionism.

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  • don't do a nazi salute, you'll just end up making it socially acceptable. Middle finger instead.

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  • Hm, Netenyahu saying palestinians made the nazis into the nazis we know today doesn't seem like nazi apologism, it sounds like more anti-palestinian propaganda to me.

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  • No -- nazi salutes are not acceptable in Israeli culture. Nazi salutes are the ultimate anti-semitic gesture. Why would those be "expected"?

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  • I think most teenagers are not nearly so self-aware. Most people see things as in-group/out-group, simple as that. Doing a nazi salute was probably meant as am (ignorant) way to defy authority; teen most likely was not thinking about palestine at all.

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  • Touch grass, man. When people call zionists nazis, they mean they are genocidal ethno(-religious) fascists. They don't literally mean they speak german, sport swastikas, heil hitler, and hate jews. Zionists despise literal nazis. I can't believe this actually has to be explained.

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  • My point is that a teen's behaviour doesn't reinforce the criminality of his government, but is mostly orthogonal to it. I can see perhaps there's a monkey-see monkey-do argument that does link a teen's behaviour to his society's, but Israelis are not fond of literal Nazi iconography, so I don't think that applies here.

    If you try to use sketchy arguments like this to reinforce your opinions about Zionism, it only opens you to attack. Please, try to keep a level head, or we'll all look stupid. Rather than trying to guess if somebody is an apologist based on the consequence of their argument, maybe check if the premise is sound instead like a rational person.

    (Aside: I also disagree with you about teens and self-understanding -- I do think a lot of teenagers are mature and self-aware; my point is that it's a high-variance distribution really.)

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  • wha? No, I agree with you about Netenyahu etc.

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  • Don't really want to engage with an obvious troll, but yeah when the head of state says something like that, it should tell you all you need to know. I've seen idiotic teenagers from all over the world say idiotic things enough to know not to judge a society by their teenagers.