Did you just make me go get this screenshot to reply with in good faith? Did you really not know Lemmy.ml advertises its censorship on the front page, or are you being deliberately obtuse?
You couldn't make it 3 paragraphs into my post? Yet another reply where I have to ask if it's in good faith
When I looked into it further, I found out there are no zero-censorship instances, because Lemmy relies on a broken “federation” system where each instance is supposed to be able to fetch posts from other instances, but it’s never been finished to reach a fully working state. Lemmy’s official docs say you can’t even do federation over Tor at all. This means it uses DNS, so it won’t actually allow Lemmy instances to fetch posts from each other freely, it just gets blocked instantly and easily, every time the authorities feel like blocking anything.
No. Instances can be created in a restricted and censored way.
and are free to both associate and disassociate with other instances as they please.
I see no proof. Docs say Tor doesn't work, so you're restricted by DNS / IP address usage, making it up to the authorities who can federate with who, not each instance's "owners."
Each instance decides their comfort with content within their instance and outside it. There are left leaning instances, centrist ones, and I’m sure a few right leaning ones. Some are ban-happy, but many will allow you to post all sorts of content, as long as it’s not too outlandish.
I addressed in my post how this weird censorship fetish is so common, many of you are unable to see what's happening, because you're fine with seeing bans happen to certain people, not just bots. It's like you completely missed this before typing a sentence that ends in "as long as it's not too outlandish"
If the content you wish to see/post is wildly outside the overton window, you can join an instance that allows this or create your own. But other instances are under no obligation to federate with content they don’t wish to see.
And I'm under no obligation to recommend Lemmy or stop myself from criticizing it for blocking a basic bit of functionality that would stop it from being increasingly useless for me and others like me
Edit - a lot of this is just pointless. Why make me explain that I'm not obligated to recommend Lemmy? Why explain to me that you're under no obligation to federate with stuff you don't want to? Who asked?
You're ignoring so many of my words. Is that in good faith? Are you in a big hurry but still considering this important enough to try to engage in a rushed way? Or are you just willingly refusing to understand something simple?
When reddit was smaller, you could say basically anything you wanted there, they just wouldn’t let it reach the main audience. Then it got too big, and any tiny part of the audience you could reach would be too big, so they won’t let you talk at all.
Lemmy is now the small part of reddit where you can say whatever you want, separated from the main audience, until too much growth happens and you have to move again.
It’s not actually a solution to reddit. It’s not designed to be different, it’s designed to match the past today and then match reddit’s present tomorrow, while being part of a system that’s about the same in past, present, and future.
Last year, this year, and next year, you’re posting somewhere it won’t be seen by many people
I explained exactly how it is a yesterday, today, and tomorrow problem, not a waiting-to-come-tomorrow problem.
Last year, this year, and next year, you’re posting somewhere it won’t be seen by many people, and the system that charges people for ambulance rides is getting another year of ambulance ride revenue, facing no organized resistance. There’s no difference here.
Is it in good faith that you make me copy and paste myself?
Why did you reply with this where you did? What does it have to do with the post you're replying to? I didn't ask about what some percentage of people is doing this year
People are controlling my speech on instances that take a more active stance to moderation, and therefore aren't worthy of federation.
That isn't very well-written wording, but I can't spot the lie.
What false premise do you think it's based on? Apparently, that you're censored - but I didn't say you're censored, if you're fine with ambulance rides charging money, so where's that false premise actually appear in my train of thought or connect to the statement you're trying to connect it to? I said censorship exists, and I implied it applies to people who want ambulance rides to be free - I didn't say anything about you personally.
If you think ambulance rides should cost money, that's a false premise, but it doesn't change anything I said - the idea that it does would be a second false premise.
Is it that you think ambulance rides shouldn't cost money, but political discussion doesn't impact policy? Because it does, so that would still be you with the false premise.
Is that you're aware of both why ambulance rides should be free and how political discourse impacts that, but you're not understanding how you need a majority to win elections? Because you do, so that would still be you with the false premise.
Do you understand all that, but think Tor users are a majority? Because they're not, so that would still be you with the false premise.
I can't see how you get from me saying "there is censorship" to "Cowbee isn't censored and there is no censorship" without using a false premise. Meanwhile "there is censorship" remains a true premise.
I didn't say anything about anonymity. It's not convenient for the authorities to block Tor connections, like it is when directly using DNS or IP addresses. The question isn't anonymity, it's whether there's actually a place for everyone to come together and join in discourse, or just a centralized corporate filter system for making sure the "wrong people" are never listened to.
If Lemmy doesn't allow federation over Tor, you are potentially helping censor both of us by posting here, unless your posts aren't made with goals like making ambulance rides free, in which case you're just helping censor me & other honest people, not yourself (who might be fine with "only reaching nerds" when posting here).
My train of thought today started from people on lemmy.world talking about defederating lemmy.ml for being "tankies" which lead to me blocking lemmy.world - then I ended up here because the Lemmy community here seems to be the main one anywhere for discussing Lemmy
If 99% of speech comes from people who are against free speech, I want to let 99% of people censor themselves by posting in censored communities while I stay in a free speech zone.
You can phrase that as me wanting to "censor them from my own feed" as long as you recognize the caveat that, unlike them, I give them the option to deactivate my censorship of them any time, all they have to do is deactivate their censorship of me.
Was it in good faith that you just made me explain this, or were you only pretending not to understand me?
That makes no sense. Why would you not be able to tolerate anything without tolerating everything? Or, why would tolerating one thing force you to also tolerate some other unrelated thing? And if that's what you believe, how do you pull off absolute intolerance in a fair and peaceful way? When it comes to discourse, just don't let anyone talk? Just have everyone censor whoever they disagree with because that's "fairness?" It makes absolutely seriously no sense.
Your reply comes form there but will probably be the last post I see from there because I'm gonna go ahead and block the instance. Unless that still lets replies come through (fine with me, main feed is more my focus)
No, everyone is 12 now (due to willingly brain damaging themselves or being brain damaged against their will by their brain damaged parents, with stuff like atmospheric lead and unmasked COVID spread).
You have to expect people to believe whatever's convenient for them and argue in bad faith, until each individual proves otherwise
Jesus Christ is a fictional character and the logical end conclusion of your points is:
"Transphobes decide where everyone else can go. First we wait to see where transphobes go, and then we stay away from those places, because we want the transphobes to have free ownership of whatever they choose and not be bothered by anyone"
Did you just make me go get this screenshot to reply with in good faith? Did you really not know Lemmy.ml advertises its censorship on the front page, or are you being deliberately obtuse?