Willingly baiting someone to read nonsense in bad faith makes you responsible for wasting their time. You don't get to blame the victim for being willing to engage in good faith.
Bad faith is bad, good faith isn't, that's why they're called that.
Is capitalism being abolished tomorrow, or are you posting somewhere a small percentage of Americans will see it?
How does this address what I just said?
the reality where once you posted for few people on reddit splintered from the rest of reddit and the rest of the internet, then it was more people and they got splintered between reddit and Lemmy, then as Lemmy grows they split between different parts of Lemmy, while debt collectors keep going after people for ambulance rides
No. It's seriously like you people can't read. I thought I was repeating my point too many times in the original post, but apparently I didn't rephrase it enough different ways for anyone to understand.
The issue is not that Lemmy could do something similar to reddit in the future.
The issue is that Lemmy is the exact same thing as reddit, having the exact same failures at each stage of growth.
Currently, we are at the stage where the stuff you post on Lemmy is censored from reddit, and you reach a certain percentage of Americans via Lemmy.
In the past, we were at the stage where this stuff was censored from Fox News, and we reached a certain percentage of Americans via reddit.
In the future, without Tor federation, you can reach a stage where stuff is censored from big Lemmy, and you reach a certain percentage of Americans via small Lemmy.
Many of you think of this place as different in ways that it is not. The ambulance rides still cost money.
Never said anything about 4chan. You are yet another person making me copy and paste from my original post, like none of you can read:
this weird censorship fetish is extremely popular and most of you are happy to see bans happen to certain people, not just bots, so a small Lemmy that censors certain people feels fundamentally different from a big reddit that censors more people. But it’s the exact same thing, it’s reddit.
When reddit was smaller, you could say basically anything you wanted there, they just wouldn’t let it reach the main audience. Then it got too big, and any tiny part of the audience you could reach would be too big, so they won’t let you talk at all.
Lemmy is now the small part of reddit where you can say whatever you want, separated from the main audience, until too much growth happens and you have to move again.
Why are you wasting my time like I want replies from liars?
"Right" or "good" censorship, as you call it, is censoring bots from political discussion, or censoring pedophiles from a kids' TV channel, not censoring humans from political discussion.
Yes, every instance, as I said in my original post.
I also explained in my original post how many of you have a really hard time with this because the censorship fetish is so popular, you are actually OK with seeing bans happen to certain people, not just bots.
Are you making me repeat this yet again in good faith, or are you willingly refusing to understand me?
It doesn't work for what many people wish it would do (and pretend it does), which is to create a decentralized discussion space controlled by the people and not restricted by the authorities
How would it not work without being blocked? You'd just install Tor, enter the onion address and network port like any other URI, and go? What makes them need to build some special thing to make the address field work with onion addresses?
You can tell you're all mentally ill by how the context of this reply is someone else wasting my time with paragraphs of bullshit before you admit the real point they were too passive-aggressive to say
And I mean YOU can tell
Deep down, you know this about yourself, because it's so obvious, that's my point here
Lemmy does not allow "customized moderation experiences" to "resist corporate/commercial influence." They have to allow corporate/commercial/"government" censorship via IP/DNS blocking, according to Lemmy's docs. That's what I explained in my original post.
I never said anything about forcing my speech on others, it's straight-up mentally ill how you talk like I did.
I don't know how to spin up an instance, but the people who do aren't solving this so far, and the Lemmy docs suggest it's because Lemmy simply doesn't work (blocks Tor federation)
I edited my comment, not trying to make you look like you ignored the parts I added, I'm just very bad at realizing a post isn't done before prematurely posting.
How would any of it change the reality where once you posted for few people on reddit splintered from the rest of reddit and the rest of the internet, then it was more people and they got splintered between reddit and Lemmy, then as Lemmy grows they split between different parts of Lemmy, while debt collectors keep going after people for ambulance rides?
That makes no sense. If having advertisers is what caused reddit to be censored, then how did the smaller less censored reddit have advertisers the whole time? You're letting the authorities distract you from their actual systems and methods of control with nonsense explanations like "advertisers"
Ignoring all that - assuming you're from an alternate timeline where reddit only got advertisers right before going to shit - how does it negate the fact that Lemmy docs say Tor doesn't work, thus requiring DNS / IP addresses, which factually simply are controlled by corporate authorities?
How does any of it negate the fact that, like last year, ambulance riders simply are being charged money while you post where not many people see it?
How does any of it negate the fact that, like last year, we simply don't think we're just one day away from changing it via organized resistance?
How would any of it change the reality where once you posted for few people on reddit, then it was more people and they got splintered between reddit and Lemmy, then as Lemmy grows they split between different parts of Lemmy, while debt collectors keep going after people for ambulance rides?
Instances are and will continue to be censored based on size, just like subreddits.
This is incredibly obvious, enough to prevent any major effort towards even trying to make mainstream zero-censorship instances so far.
I don't get how you don't get this.
You start a zero-censorship instance on DNS, it gets blocked immediately.
You start it on Tor, docs say it can't federate with other instances.
When current levels of censorship get too many users, they can be blocked too, like how they're currently blocked from reddit, keeping the spread of ideas controlled by the authorities, the same way it was when we were all on reddit.
What fundamental change do you see here that justifies saying the opposite?
Incorrect.
Willingly baiting someone to read nonsense in bad faith makes you responsible for wasting their time. You don't get to blame the victim for being willing to engage in good faith.
Bad faith is bad, good faith isn't, that's why they're called that.