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  • And that’s JJ Abrams all over.

    20 years ago I remember thinking he was the most talented writer out there. 100% bought into his whole "Mystery Box" spiel. Then, every single time, he failed to deliver on any of the compelling threads he started with, ending up in a meandering, meaningless mess if the property went on for more than 2 seasons/movies. Dude is a hack that convinced people that a lack of a plan was somehow clever.

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  • You're not alone.

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  • I wouldn't go so far as "dogshit", but I agree that people look at the OT with heavy nostalgia glasses. Watching the movies objectively, the dialogue, story, and particularly the acting are all pretty rough. It's all enjoyable still (I love them myself), but it's far from the masterpiece a lot of people like to hold it up as. In truth, the franchise's best asset was and is the universe around the stories, which does a fantastic job bolstering the less than stellar parts. And, thankfully, even a downright terrible movie won't topple that.

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  • Also, Luke straight up predicts she'll be as powerful him and their father in RotJ. It didn't come out of nowhere.

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  • Enshittification is inherently used to refer to a process of getting shittier.

    Right, that's the problem - that's not what it means, but that's what it looks like it means, and the misuse dilutes the word to be functionally useless to point out the actual and critically pressing problem is was imprudently coined for.

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  • The answers to both questions is that most everyone on the internet only use it to call something shitty, because that's the only part of the word they recognize. But the Internet Smartman, Cory Doctorow, coined it, so they think they sound clever using it to call things shitty while instead they are just part of the problem. The leveraging of consolidated power by internet titans to squeeze society for every penny and resource they can get is too important of an issue for that to be the word for it.

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  • Choosing to use a word incorrectly isn't any better (and it's not even the way it's usually misused, so even more confusing). It does exemplify why it's such an awful word in general though, so that's helpful in some small way, I guess.

  • Barron Trump's Reputation Goes Up In Flames Over Rumored Bond With Andrew Tate

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  • The kid's clearly on the bad path, but that particular claim is one person without any substantial proof.

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  • I'll just reiterate my other reply since you did the same - your inability to see the potential of TLJ on it's own merits says more about you than the movie.

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  • Delays and reshoots not only cost loads of money, they throw off the pace of production, increasing the likelihood of a bigger disaster opposed to just running it as it planned.

    And imo, the ending would have been much worse off without Leia's scenes. Changing that would change the entire story.

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  • It’s not about comparing the feelings of empire or the beat for beat replay. It’s about comparing the narrative and where it was at that point in the story.

    Contradicting your own claim in the next sentence. A+. Thanks for proving my point.

    And deliberately holding up the worst interpretation of how those plot lines could be developed isn't meaningful. Might as well slap together a Chad-Soyjak meme and say you won.

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  • Your inability to see the potential of those plot threads doesn't prove the movie is bad, just your lack of vision.

    First of all TLJ is just ESB and RoTJ thrown into a blender

    Ah, my point exemplified. Thanks.

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  • Right, "nothing".

    • The resistance is on the backfoot, desperate for an answer.
    • Kylo is coming into his power as the big bad and the First Order is adjusting to the sudden power vacuum.
    • Rey is finally realizing her capability and is left to decide if she'll follow the Jedi way or blaze her own path, still haunted by her unknown past.
    • Other force sensitives are awakening across the galaxy.
    • Leia is revealed as a force user (which obviously couldn't be addressed after the death of Carrie Fisher, but that wasn't a known change at the time of shooting).

    Even a subpar writer could've done plenty with half of that, but JJ and Disney got scared and shit out the blandest finale possible.

    Compare with Empire Strikes Back.

    No. Stop comparing the new to the old, especially at such a minuscule, beat-for-beat level. Not only does that kill any possible innovation, it's a nostalgia trap and exactly why VII and IX were so fucking boring. Nothing will replicate the feelings had watching beloved movies for the first time, and expecting anything to match that is just an excuse to be dismissive of it.

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  • Oh, see I actually meant Admiral Ackbar

    Oh, hah. Fair.

    As for the space walk, that choice was definitely made before her death, and while it would have made a good point to add it in, it would still require significant changes to the ending. It is unfortunate, but I don't think it's fair to hang that on Rian.

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  • I have bad news - most people think like this. At this point, I don't believe people actually watch the media they consume, even sat right in front of it - They mindless let it pump into their brains, then let other media tell them what emotions they should feel, or (maybe) decide that for themselves based on the fraction of the story they actually processed.

    The really bad news is this practice isn't isolated to just fiction.

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  • It tracks that you don't even know what the word means.

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  • It sucks, yes, but was there a good way to do it otherwise? The movie was in late post-production, about a year from release, and Carrie featured heavily in the end of the movie. It would've required pretty major changes and reshoots to organically insert Leia's death in.

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  • only for Rian to ignore those and leave nothing to work with for the next one.

    JJ choosing to ignore the second movie doesn't mean "nothing was left". Baring the bizarre casino, TLJ was the most interesting SW story since RotS. Episode IX could've been an amazing finale coming out of that, but JJ did what JJ always does and absolutely failed to deliver.

    *Also, I feel it's important to point out the "Mystery Box" was and is bullshit, lazy writing. Yes, it's important to leave things in a story for the audience to wonder about and anticipate. That's not a valid excuse to throw esoteric shit at the wall and call it a day. The audience doesn't need to know where the plot is going, but the fucking writer should. JJ left Rian with hollow shell of "intrigue" with nothing substantial, got pissy when Rian did what he wanted with that, then shit out a boring finale trying to reverse everything back.

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  • Star Wars comes to mind immediately.

    I wonder if that's because the comic is about Star Wars...

    and I haven't watched any of them since.

    No one has, since they don't exist.