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There will be times when the struggle seems impossible. Alone, unsure, dwarfed by the scale of the enemy. Freedom is a pure idea. It occurs spontaneously and without instruction. Random acts of insurrection are occurring constantly. There are whole armies, battalions that have no idea that they've already enlisted in the cause. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear.

  • That visor is some under-appreciated technology.

  • I know, I was there. I was on Quantum Link, which AOL would later buy out for the infrastructure to build on. I was with Compuserve and Prodigy before moving to AOL. Webpage commerce was already a thing before the crash, it just wasn't as established as it is now. Even Amazon had started going past just books into selling other things. I'll agree that what the web would be used for and how was still being figured out, but it was far past any niche thing by the late 90s. The wiki on the crash is an interesting history read. In the end, it was a stock crash because people were literally making up companies that didn't exist and getting money for it. Getting back to the topic at hand, sounds a bit familiar.

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  • You can't retain your level of intelligence forever, unfortunately. He's probably heading the same way I've seen people I watched get older and slip into things that I know they would have laughed off years before. Now he may have been a bigot and an asshole before, but him not understanding LLMs and their limitations suggests a definite decline in reasoning, from the person who helped me grasp evolutionary theory and the scale of time with his books.

  • So R2D2 is La Forge? He seems to get everything fixed just in time.

  • I said questionable in nature in comparison to the other two bubbles, which were established technology to build off of.

    I agree on usefulness, to a point. It's being used everywhere, and while an LLM breaking in some situation can be countered, look how many places it's being given full reins and crossed fingers. Knowing it makes mistakes. Bad mistakes, Maybe not often, but sometimes you need as close to 100% as possible, with redundancies in place.

    I use LLMs myself, and in just using it for things that aren't critical, I'll catch that small percentage and realize, it's not good enough for most things it's being put in. I do find it amazing that it produces what it does, but that doesn't make me ignore when it breaks gloriously.

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  • Yes. It's like code comments.

    We all do that, so understand your point.

    All of us...

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  • This works, until it doesn't. And then you can't go back and find the mistake, and save time by both realizing the error part and not having to redo it all to get there.

    I get it, I was bad about that too, but any form of writing improves the understanding of the concepts because it uses a different part of the brain that I think retains better than the one doing the thinking work.

  • I think everyone has taken your question and run with it using the assumption you're talking about the AGI part, and maybe you were. But in the background of that story were functional robots that didn't (initially) have AGI, but were pretty basic in following directions and rules. They were far beyond what we have now still, but robots don't have to have true AGI to do some jobs, as we've been slowly seeing them work towards. The danger is giving them more than they can actually do and assume a broader capability for interaction is enough to make them work well (LLMs in everything).

    So my answer is still far away, but not as far away as AGI, unless there's some breakthrough of course, which none of us can predict either way. And anyone who claims they're sure about that is just talking, a breakthrough by definition comes unexpectedly.

    I hope we don't get AGI at this point. We've shown how careless we can be with such things through LLMs, and AGI to LLM is like nuclear to bottle rockets.

    Also, while I replied this, even more people popped up using Asimov as a guideline. Did no one ever actually read his stories?

  • Asimov's Laws were not a demonstration of how to make robots that are safe and reliable, they were a device to show how you can't simply make rules and not have something break. Every one of his stories showed an example of the laws not being enough, or having a loophole.

  • Dot com wasn't about the web, but about what could be done with it. Those who built something sustainable lasted, the rest couldn't. Just like the computer company bubble before in the 80s, where anyone could jump onto the new thing, but few lasted more than a year or so because they didn't have much beyond their beginning idea. The problem with using the for LLMs is that the product itself is questionable in nature, unlike computers or the internet. I have no doubt Anthropic will stick around as they were part of the innovation and still are, but that requires LLMs/AI as it exists now and the direction they continue to go to be viable. The line all of them spiel is it's a gateway to actual AGI, but anyone who understands the science knows that's not going to happen. At most LLM tech is used in part by AGI for forming its ideas and speech, but not the core.

    So it's not a bubble like those others. But the tech itself is a bubble, as the attempts to force it everywhere to validate its investment cost fail.

  • He skipped over the time spent screaming insanely.

  • I have a MacBook of about the same age (2009) that I upped to 8 GB RAM and run Mint with Cinnamon. As long as I don't push it too hard it's fine. Youtube is a real killer, although I can usually power through it by restarting Cinnamon (I don't think that's the issue, but it works). The only reason I changed it over was because Apple had long ago given up on the OS it had. I was really surprised how easy Mint went on, everything worked the first bootup.

  • My 40+ years of driving experience with various vehicles and equipment and in all sorts of conditions has nothing to do with this. So let's not use that fallacy.

    My first post on this was exactly about the times when AI can't handle the experience, and was made to point out that sometimes humans just drive through situations they should have not, and get lucky. By design a machine isn't going to do that, or if it did would be banned because that's reckless, yet people drive like that daily and manage to usually avoid incidents. If you read back, the whole point I was making is that humans are superior necessarily, they're just different in how they approach things. Lots of automation for safety is a great thing and has saved lives, because it fills in the gap where humans tend to fail. Full automation just can't do some of the things humans do, and part of that is taking a risk and getting lucky. One thing that they've tried to simulate is our ability to filter out the noise, and that is a difficult task.

    My answer that involved accidents was to point out that humans tend to cause the accidents that hurt other people. Other things happen too, but they can probably be traced back to a human making a mistake somewhere, even if it's as simple as following too close or being distracted (sometimes our noise filter doesn't work well).

    I don't think any of my posts have inferred that AI is better or even up to the task, they were more about how humans aren't as great as they're made out to be in these AI arguments. We just accept the level of problems and use technology to try and counter their deadliness, or avoid them if possible.

  • What are the risks taken when you get in a car? Oh, right, accidents. Caused by all the AI on the road. Not the humans.

    If we had developed automated transportation first and then tried to introduce human driving, people would say that's insane. It's the human element that breaks things, every time. I don't care about all the downvotes, but I know each of them is from someone who thinks they're the best driver out there. It's a human thing to do.

  • F for Fuck

  • I enjoyed Battlefield Earth (the book, not whatever that movie was), even with its issues. I read the first of Mission Earth when it came out. I don't remember why it didn't click for me, but I never read another.

  • D for Dystopian, or for Disaster?

  • Yes, if you read them. If you consider doing a Hail Mary in bad weather and managing to not hit anything better, then I guess they are better... at taking risks.

  • You're correct on AI. But I laughed at you saying humans are predictable. Seen any dashcam footage?