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If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they're lying.

Evidence or GTFO.

  • Goddamnit I can't believe jordanlund of all people is like the only one with a correct take in this entire thread.

    I literally don't even know how many times Trump has been impeached. Three maybe? Is it three? Could be four. I think it was more than one. I don't remember what any of the charges were, if I ever heard.

    Caring about that shit is such performative lib shit. The only people who care about Trump's "permanent record" are politically engaged liberals who were 100% going to "vote blue no matter who" anyway. Do you seriously think you could walk into like a random warehouse and ask people what crimes Trump has been impeached over and get correct answers from anyone who wasn't already a guaranteed vote?

    The way you actually reach people is by promoting things that *make a material difference in their lives," not some DC soap opera shit. You say something like, "No tax on tips," you start cutting through the culture war barriers and media environments and catching the attention of people who normally wouldn't give two shits about politics. But libs are so far up their own asses about "decorum" and "permanent records" and shit that even Republicans have managed to outflank them, which is an utter embarrassment.

    Also, for the record, the justice system is a complete joke regardless. Bush never got impeached for all the illegal torture and spying he did. Anyone with good sense who's paying attention should know better than to look to the law (of all things!) as some kind of moral guide. The law only matters as far as it exerts power, a purely symbolic "victory" within a fundamentally broken system could not be more meaningless.

    Oh but to be clear fuck Jefferies, just like, not for this specific thing.

  • When the rich get richer, they have more power to make poor people's lives worse. I don't want rich Americans to get richer because they will use that to keep me down.

    If you only care about rich Americans or white Americans, you don't "actually care about America" in my book.

  • So does Trump.

    If anything, selling out to foreigners would be preferable, because the American bourgeoisie are the direct enemies of the American proletariat. The stronger and richer they get, the more power they have to make my conditions worse, to make me accept lower wages, to endure and subvert strikes and unions. It's just straight up nationalism to think strengthening the American bourgeoisie somehow benefits regular Americans, like it's gonna trickle down somehow.

  • This is exactly the problem. "Supporting policies that make things worse for the average person" is not the same thing as "accelerationism." Some people are just wrong, or they have different motivations (like making them and their friends rich). If accelerationism just means making things worse, then everyone is an accelerationist to everyone who disagrees with them, it loses any real meaning.

    There may be a handful of actual accelerationists in the party, but they're mostly driven by material interests and a whole bunch of brainworms, not by some accelerationist strategy.

  • And you don't have any problem with people saying that a "horrible war criminal that belongs in gitmo" "actually cared about America?"

  • It certainly sounds like it is.

    Bush did not "actually care about America." He sent Americans to die in pointless wars so that his rich buddies could get even more rich. He pioneered the surveillance state. He created ICE.

    If you hadn't forgotten the horrors and weren't whitewashing him, you'd be as disgusted and repulsed by anyone talking nonsense about how he was "respectable" or "cared about America."

  • So then the reason you don't think anyone's whitewashing anything is because you agree with the whitewashing.

  • a Republican party that cared about America

    That's ten thousand percent whitewashing.

  • Nobody said "good." The other user said "venerating" which was an exaggeration but all the rest of what they said, thinking "everything was respectable and dignified” and “completely whitewashing the horrors from their minds” 100% applies to that comment.

  • The candidate the social democrats wanted won and he's the guy who appointed Hitler chancellor! There was a three way race between "literally Hitler," "guy who will put Hitler into a position of power" and "not Hitler" (Thälmann) and somehow libs are still mad that "not Hitler" was on the ballot.

    The social democrats were the ones with the brilliant plan of punching left in favor of a "center"-right coalition, and they actually won and got what they wanted and wound up in the camps as a direct result of it!

    No prizes for guessing what happens when you trust the bourgeois parties to be an ally against fascism.

  • Feel disgusted defending is still defending.

  • "Venerate" may be an exaggeration, but the rest of it, thinking everything was "respectable and dignified" and "completely whitewashing the horrors from their minds" fits that to a T.

  • a Republican party that cared about America

  • I don’t think people get that this difference makes a difference. As a millennial going through college during the GW Bush years, there was at least a Republican party that cared about America, cared about non political government institutions and the service those members participate in, etc. Since the tea party that shit changed. And I don’t think it’s hard to believe Mitt Romney actually cares about this country and means what he says on this thing. I feel disgusted defending Romney, but I kind of miss it when it was guys like Romney were the political opponents in power and not these MAGA folks hellbent on destroying democracy and politicizing the institutions critical to America.

    I just found 96 liberals who fit that description.

  • Accelerationism is really dumb which is why it's such a popular strawman.

    Does someone have a different opinion? Well, it could be that different people have different ideas about how the world works as well as different priorities. But that's all complicated and nuanced and forces you to contend with different perspectives. Instead, just assume that everyone has your perspective because it's just inherently obvious to everyone, but some people are intentionally trying to make things worse because they're stupid and evil.

    Virtually no one is an actual accelerationist.

  • I think you forgot the part where the provisional government wanted to keep drafting people to feed into the pointless meat grinder of WWI, which Lenin opposed rather strongly.

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  • Every society has ideology, you just don't notice the dominant one for the same reason a fish doesn't notice water. Ideology is just a framework for understanding the world, everyone has some such framework and if you think you don't it's only because you haven't examined it or considered other perspectives.

    Western countries have had anti-communist purges, and as for treating ideology as religion, well...

    As for this idea that "you don't have to read or understand anything" that's patently untrue. Literacy is consistently one of the top priorities of communists, and if you look at actual data as opposed to just saying whatever thought happens to enter your head, it backs that up.

    Or as one anti-communist put it:

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  • Good call.

    I tracked it down: [37] is from a popsci book called "The Lady Tasting Tea" by retired statistician David Salsburg, pages 147-149. While I'm sure he's knowledgeable about statistics, he doesn't seem to have any special qualifications regarding history.

    The claims about the government of the USSR seeing statistics as "an insult" seem to be partially his own speculation and partially the speculation of a statistics journal from the 50's, rather than being drawn from any kind of official statements. The only claims that seem to have something to do with material reality are:

    1. The parts about the Vestnik Statistiki, which was not shut down but rather used as an official publication of the Central Statistics Administration (TsSU)
    2. A couple researchers leaving the field of statistics

    I see absolutely nothing that suggests the study of statistics was banned or sidelined in any way.

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  • Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it