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Nibodhika

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  • How would you expose Jellyfin securely without a vpn?

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  • Plex server doesn’t need to be “portable”

    Strongly disagree, I've switched my media server several times in the past decade for a multitude of reasons, having things in docker has allowed me to do this seamlessly.

    Also you're ignoring all of the other benefits of running in docker, from isolation to automation.

    and running it in docker definitely doesn’t make it easier.

    Plex is the only self-hosted service that is purposefully trying to block you from being ran in docker. All other things are just much easier to run in docker, that's part of the appeal, reproducible builds eliminate the "it works on my machine" errors.

    There absolutely are programs that make sense to run in docker, but Plex server isn’t one of them.

    Why do you think it doesn't make sense? Does Jellyfin make sense to you to run in docker? Why are they different?

    Also, Plex only supports Ubuntu and CentOS, none of which I run on my server, so the only OFFICIAL way to run Plex is Docker.

  • How would you expose Jellyfin securely without a vpn?

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  • There's zero need to run anything in docker, it just makes things easier and portable.

  • Has there ever been an industry that's been "enshittified" and then un-"enshittified"?

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  • What are you talking about? There are hundreds of great games being released, the gaming industry is a lot more than a couple of big corps.

  • How would you expose Jellyfin securely without a vpn?

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  • What Plex does is closer to having an embedded tailscale client, you can access Jellyfin remotely with tailscale for free, but OP specifically asked for no VPN.

    That being said, I'm not opposed to Plex charging for that service, even a tailscale like server costs something to maintain. My gripe with Plex is that it purposefully shoots itself in the foot to force you into their paid service, i.e. it actively tries to isolate itself so you can't access it remotely, which means that it can't run inside a docker container unless you give it network host access, otherwise it only considers other docker containers locals and doesn't let you watch your own content from another machine in the same network.

  • People who are staying on Plex, have you tried Jellyfin? What about it do you not prefer? (real question)

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  • Because clients would probably fail if there's an authentication layer on front that they're not expecting.

  • People who are staying on Plex, have you tried Jellyfin? What about it do you not prefer? (real question)

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  • People who are staying on Plex, have you tried Jellyfin? What about it do you not prefer? (real question)

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  • IIRC Envy clients can connect to Jellyfin, it's part of the reason why they don't change the API despite security issues.

  • How would you expose Jellyfin securely without a vpn?

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  • Except most people have almost the same structure because of media organizers like radarr/sonarr. At the very least they should hide that behind a setting to not require auth (since the header should be there for most clients) so only people running an old client would be affected. They could also add an extra salt to that hash or something similar.

    I agree, it's not critical, but it shouldn't be hand waved either. And like I said, security is relative, I would argue for most people this is fine, but I still think this should be taken more seriously.

  • How would you expose Jellyfin securely without a vpn?

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  • Secure is relative, you should be aware that jellyfin itself has security issues https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/5415 most of which are harmless, but at least one is fairly serious and allows people to watch your media without authentication, and adding an extra layer of authentication on the proxy would likely cause issues with clients.

    That being said, if you're okay with those security issues what I would do is have a cheap VPS, connect both machines to tailscale, and have something like Caddy on the VPS to do the forwarding.

  • People who are staying on Plex, have you tried Jellyfin? What about it do you not prefer? (real question)

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  • So? Jellyfin only needs 8096, the other two are https and lan discovery, you can also add 1900 for DNLA. On the other hand Plex has 8 additional configurable ports for other stuff, but that's besides the point because it requires network_mode: host otherwise it pretends it can't be seen.

  • People who are staying on Plex, have you tried Jellyfin? What about it do you not prefer? (real question)

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    1. Copy the compose.yaml from https://docs.linuxserver.io/images/docker-jellyfin/#user-group-identifiers and adjust, e.g.:

     yaml
        
services:
  jellyfin:
    image: lscr.io/linuxserver/jellyfin:latest
    container_name: jellyfin
    environment:
      - PUID=1000
      - PGID=1000
      - TZ=Europe/Madrid
    volumes:
      - ./config:/config
      - ./media:/media
    ports:
      - 8096:8096
      - 8920:8920
      - 7359:7359/udp
    restart: unless-stopped

    1. Run docker compose up -d
    2. Navigate to http://<IP>:8096
    3. Follow the wizard to create a user and libraries.
    4. Profit

    Steps for Plex:

    1. Copy the compose.yaml from https://docs.linuxserver.io/images/docker-plex/?h=plex#umask-for-running-applications and adjust, e.g:

     yaml
        
---
services:
  plex:
    image: lscr.io/linuxserver/plex:latest
    container_name: plex
    environment:
      - PUID=1000
      - PGID=1000
      - TZ=Etc/UTC
      - VERSION=docker
    volumes:
      - ./config:/config
      - ./media:/media
    ports:
      - 32400:32400
    restart: unless-stopped

    1. Run docker compose up -d
    2. Navigate to http://<IP>:32400
    3. Create an account with Plex, give them your email and create a password with the specific requirements they impose. Agree with their use policy and confirm the pop-ups about ads and such.
    4. You can now watch Plex media. Clicking your media will only have a link to https://www.plex.tv/media-server-downloads/
    5. Look everywhere to figure out where to add your local media and give up.
    6. Look in Google and no one has this issue.
    7. Spend a few hours trying and give up.

    BTW, the issue there that took me months to figure out is that while Plex documentation says that you only need to expose that port, it only works in network host mode, so unless you give it full control of your network it just refuses to work.

  • People who are staying on Plex, have you tried Jellyfin? What about it do you not prefer? (real question)

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  • I have set up both. Honestly Jellyfin was MUCH more easy to setup because Plex requires a very specific way to setup the network otherwise it craps its pants and refuses to work on LAN.

    But after figuring out those pain points, both are set and forget. The main differences are privacy concerns vs wide access outside of LAN and on more devices.

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    What are your thoughts on people who are against pacifism?

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  • Try being a pacifist Jew in Nazi Germany to see how much good that will do to you and how many alternative solutions you can find or how many soldiers you can convince. That is the context of the quote shared there, pacifist solutions should always be preferred, but sometimes that is not an option, it's the tolerance paradox.

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    whats going on with womensstuff?

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  • First let me start by saying that I don't think this is the case for this community because the "examples" of misandry OP shared are clearly not misandryc, but:

    If you don't identify as a woman, it doesn't matter whatever the fuck is going on in there because it clearly says it's not about you.

    That's a problematic logic, imagine a community of white supremacists saying "If you're not white it doesn't matter what we do here, because it's clearly not about you" and you'll understand why.

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    whats going on with womensstuff?

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  • Dude, chill out, neither of those are misandry.

  • Plex Announces Massive Price Hike on Lifetime Subscription Plans

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  • Yup, but all that being said I still run Jellyfin and have no intention of switching to Plex. And while I would like to see them fix these issues, I understand (in part) why they won't and I'm okay with my tail scale setup. Also the vast majority of issues are very minor, but the ability to watch any media without login is so major that I think it's worth bringing up every time someone mentions exposing Jellyfin online.

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  • Agree, I don't consider most of them a risk, but I do like to bring this to the attention of people who are exposing Jellyfin to the web so they can make an informed decision.

  • Plex Announces Massive Price Hike on Lifetime Subscription Plans

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  • Realistically the only advantage of Plex is being able to watch it over the internet without a VPN. Which means it makes it easier to get friends and family access to your server or to access it yourself from random smart tvs outside your house.

    If you only watch at home or have a fire stick that you take with you to watch abroad or your friends/family members have one and can setup a VPN on it it's not needed.

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