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Melvin_Ferd

@ Melvin_Ferd @lemmy.world

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  • Are we building an alternative to billionaire platforms or just a quieter version of them?

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  • I agree. I think fediverse is such an amazing step towards something great. But i don't want to drop this ball. I believe there's so many balls dropped over the past 20 years. I think we need to wake up

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  • You're missing what I'm saying. What gives you're instance of anything any importance. Why are you not creating instances every day for yourself?

    You're going to want to gravitate to instances that produce content. You can say you'll just defederate but what stops the highly motivated PR team whose job is to capture these instances from also targeting other instances you enjoy.

    I don't know about your experience, but I've had this happen outside the fediverse. Many sites I enjoyed were slowly turned. There was ways to stop it. But people didn't take it seriously. I see the exact same attitudes here.

    They are going to come to the fediverse and they're going to make it theirs if we don't figure out ways to prevent it. Spinning up new instances and defederation will not be enough. There needs to be systematic changes to how these sites work. They have to be anti capitalist and community first rather than moderation first.

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  • Both a) and b) only works for so long. We're not talking just about users. We're talking about coordinated efforts by group's backed by financial support to slowly take over. I've seen them go so far as getting themselves onto mod teams. They have it down to a science mean if we're not making them rewrite their books constantly then lemmy is just going to go the way of all other platforms.

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  • I don't know your experience with being online but I'm telling you that what you said was said mockingly about other sites too and it turned out to be true

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  • My point is for how long? At some point it either dies out or becomes popular enough to attract that attention. And so I'm asking now, because we never did with the other sites, what can we do to prevent it. Because these spaces are running out rapidly.

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  • This kind of floors me because I may have said similar years ago, but lately I think the digital space is the most important frontier we have right now. Like everybody is planting their flags on different lands. There's only so much to go around. It's why these tech bros are all spending billions on it. But the left seems to have volunteered to sit out and ignore its importance. I don't know why

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  • Not sure what you mean here. I'm saying it is potentially not censorship proof and that we should be aware of that.

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  • I do appreciate that and you're right about losing focus. I get a little bent out of shape over some of the more ignorant comments from people.

    I get not wanting to begrudge the "Cute pic" people but everyday I just don't get it. What are people on the left doing. It's just so sad to me to see what it's become that I don't know what future it holds and that sucks. This is a lefty space and its just the realization that this is it. It's what is left and people don't even see it or care. They can't be bothered.

    I have a lot of anger from going on any other digital space and seeing outright racism and sexism and just horrible shit that is now so common. And I come to lemmy and people keep promoting the idea of just ignoring things that irk them.

    NO action. NO fight. Just block and move on.

    Wouldn't that be just what the right would love for us to do? Block them instead of challenging them. It makes me realize the left may be dying not because we did our best and fought and actually tried but instead we willingly gave up and convinced each other to as well.

    For me, Lemmy is the last nail in the coffin in a digital frontier that highlights this. I don't even know if people know how bad it is because most people here just block and avoid things they do not like since they are the "cute pic" people.

    In a world where numbers and engagement matter most, how do we not partially blame them especially when the "cute pic" people are avoiding the world because they hate the situation but they're just not willing put up with it enough to push back like others.

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  • What spaces are those?

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  • Right, and I'm thinking this is not actually a solid way to protect fediverse from what is happening everywhere else.

    We can all create instances, but there needs to be engagement for it to matter. I'm not looking at this from the point of view of "what can I do to enjoy my time on the internet while my rights are taken away and I'm told my sister should go to jail for wanting an abortion"

    There is a pattern that occurs with seizing digital spaces. It starts small. They begin dog whistling in small communities. Not enough to get banned. Just enough to get reactions. Based off the reaction they target a few of the weaker ones. Whistles get louder. They link those to their influencers who post to their base. That base begin to show up and the community begins to fracture. Mods get overwhelmed. Ask for help to increase mod team. Some of the new mod team are the very people poisoning the community or are affiliated. The new moderators make it worse. Users begin to block or leave the communities. More dog whistles. More growth from the right until the community is captured. They move on to target another bigger community and are now using the first community as a pool to feed into the bigger one and turn it. So you can de-federate but nothing really stops the attacks. There is no real mechanism right now to guard against what has happened as far as I see it.

    If lemmy were to grow as big as other sites, it will be just as likely to swing hard right unless something else is done.

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  • But they exist still. My assumption here is it wasn't always a shit hole. That the shit hole occurs when a few poor features of digital spaces are exploited. Vote manipulations. Moderation capture. Linking posts and communities by accounts like Libs of TT who brigade. And once you de-federate, what stops them from jumping to any other instances you enjoy?

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  • Share ideas. Build community. Raise awareness. You build hype.

    With enough numbers and engagement you can resist the spread of the right and push back.

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  • You would fail just like all the others before you

    Which is my point a little bit. But you assume it fails because people don't want it. Leftist need to change to want it if they want to survive.

    For fucks sake you're all suppose to be leftist and you can't even re-create a co-operative based approach to your digital space. But you're all going to say "we need to universalize X, Y or Z" but when it comes to your cat post we need a hierarchical system where ultimate control is given to a select few faceless individuals??

    There is no future for the left if you rely on moderation. Moderation will inevitably become the tool of tech billionaires to control our digital spaces. Being able to stand up new instances is not a defense to protect these spaces against that. The left needs spaces to disseminate information. Spread ideas and build momentum. The only logical conclusion becomes that the minute it is popular enough to be useful then it will also be popular enough to for the right to target. If lemmy does not develop ways to guard against control by a select few faceless individuals then it will go the way of reddit if not worse. Without spaces to grow, then the right will continue their trend of capture people of all ages to their ideas and principals.

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  • When Lemmy first popped up the amount of Onlyfans bots was a problem. Like day one. It's an inevitability which is my point.

    There is no space left for leftist. So 2 possibilities exist. Fediverse will grow and eventually attract attention of people in power. At that point they will capture it like Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Tik Tok, Vine everything else. Or Fediverse does not grow, its boring and instead dies out leaving no leftist spaces. The consequences of either is the capture and control by right wing who keep shifting the whole culture right.

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  • I think some time in the future we're all going to wake up to the realization that the mods were the problem and a big part of why the right wing are growing while the left are dying out.

    In the past couple decades the left has fumbled so hard they have completely destroyed themselves and their ideals with almost no sign of recovery for the next few decades.

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  • My issue is that there were Nazis in my park recently holding a rally. A lot. Last year they were on over passes. Marching in streets. Women are arrested in democratic countries now for things that we thought were personal rights. People are disappeared by the government and people cheer it on.

    So I like cat pictures and having fun. But is that what leftist should be focused on right now?

    I'm asking to find out where people are with all this. Is lemmy a last bastion in a digital world that is mostly captured by right leaning billionaires who will inevitably come for us or are we just going to have fun or like 5 more years and then when its much worse go "oh fuck yea would have been cool to fight back when we had the tools and time."

    I'm just worried we're giving a limited window of opportunity that is quickly closing.

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  • Again here you are minimizing the person you're speaking with by calling them a kid.

    This is suppose to be a place to discuss things. Avoid these attacks. Or just don't come here if you can't discuss topics without resorting to personal attacks.

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  • you sound like a spoiled child

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  • Ok please humor me then here. Can you walk me through a situation where an instance would untether itself. One day lemmy becomes super popular. People notice it as a platform to get information on. Millions of views an hour. Peter Thiel is paying chinese click farms to post manosphere content in popular lemmy communities. Musk is linking "no kings 5.0" lemmy posts to his followers on X who are brigading the comments. The moderators of the most popular lemmy.world communities are Marvel executives and Billionare Pedophiles.

    So now we abandon it and leave. What does that mean as far as protecting that instance from that same thing happening?

    We've cut the hyrda's head clean off. Now what? Do users all move to the new instance? Is all the bad from the first instance just going to contain itself to that instance? What protection is in place?