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  • Chick fila a and hobby lobby for sure

    Target will get a bit of leeway from me.

    The other two are run by people who have actively funneled money towards shit like conversion therapy

    Target, unless I've missed something, just kind of pulled their DEI initiatives, so while they're not doing anything to make the situation better for LGBTQ people, they're not trying to actively make shit worse for them either.

    Also nothing chick fila a or hobby lobby sells is particularly essential, you don't need craft supplies and fast food. Target at least sells basic essentials like clothes, groceries, medications, etc. and sometimes they're the only or most affordable place in town to get those things, so I can't exactly begrudge people for shopping there for those things unless I know there's a better alternative.

    If you can, you shouldn't shop at target of course, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

  • Why is Lemmy so US-centric? The largest instances are in Europe, aren't they? So why does it have to be US news trolling as if it were Reddit?

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  • Presumably you're browsing english-language Lemmy

    Most people are going to want to converse in their native/primary language, and by numbers that means a lot of Americans who are, of course, primarily concerned with American issues

    There's also the fact that America is a huge player on the international stage, so American issues can have a lot of repercussions in other countries

    And if you haven't noticed, America has kind of a lot of shit going on and there is a lot to talk about there.

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  • If you were able to target it properly to the right species, depending on where you are in the world, there's a good chance that the rats and sparrows you're thinking of are invasive.

    I know around me in the US I see a whole lot more house sparrows (native to Europe, Asia, and some parts of North Africa) than I do any native Sparrows.

    And the two most known rat species- the black and brown rats, originated in different parts of Asia and more-or-less spread around the world with human trade and migration.

    So getting rid of those would probably be a good thing to reduce competition for native animals.

  • Woman attacked driver that hit, killed chicken that was crossing the road, per police

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  • i don't know if you can really call it stalking if they're willingly making information about themselves available for anyone to see. I didn't have to so much as punch his name into google, just click his name at the top of his post and it was all there for anyone to see.

    He didn't have to put his information out there and make it publicly available, but presumably he was ok with everyone on Facebook having access to that information about him.

    And if he wasn't ok with that, it made him realize his error so he could address it.

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  • By all means, please capitalize on my typo. It's got a nice ring to it.

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  • I have a Belgian Malinois, which, if you're not aware, is basicallythe breed of dog used by military and police that aren't German Shepherds. They are absolute maniacs of dogs, full of all kinds of prey drive and herding instincts and such that have long-since been bred out of your average family pet.

    So for a while when I still had a Facebook I followed a couple of Malinois pages to help me better understand what was going on in my dog's head.

    Now some malinois owners are great, they understand the reasons why their dogs are the way they are and understand how to manage them properly.

    Others are absolute assholes who just wanted the really cool supersoldier dog that can run up walls and eat bad guys, and don't really do anything to channel that energy properly

    I remember one post in particular of some guy's dog "playing" with a turtle, picking it up, throwing it around, etc.

    I'm a dog owner, I've at times dabbled in hunting, I'm an environmentalist and conservationist, I know what sort of laws are out there and what is and isn't allowed. And people are stupid and make entirely too much information about themselves available online.

    So I could see from this guy's profile what state (and in fact what city he was in, what high school he went to what company he works for, etc.)

    And I could easily Google what the laws in that state are

    And lol and behold, allowing your dog to harass wildlife is not allowed in that state. There were fines, potentially prison time, the officials could even take your dog and have them destroyed over this. I think it might have even been legal, maybe even encouraged, in that state for anyone witnessing this happening to just shoot your dog on the spot.

    I of course wasn't about to report this guy over this, I didn't want his dog put down or anything, I just wanted him to be a better, more responsible dog owner, so I pointed this out in the comments, that were, up until that point, mostly just other assholes jerking each other off over how cool malinois are.

    He, of course, quickly took the past down after that.

    But not before a whole bunch of people got really pissy about me looking at his profile (to see the information about himself that he made publicly available I guess?) and taking the time to Google the relevant laws in his state so that I could point out exactly why what he was doing wasn't just morally wrong but actually illegal.

    There were disturbingly few people commenting on that post who were simply angry that this jackass was letting his dog fuck with a turtle.

    As an aside, my dog is a rare "lazy" malinois. She's still more energetic and driven than pretty much any other dog I've ever met, there's a part of her that definitely wants to eat someone's face, but she's content to sleep on the couch all day instead. She definitely would chase some rabbits, deer, foxes, squirrels, etc. given the chance (I don't give her the chance,) and she's never seen a turtle, but she seems to like just sniffing and occasionally licking frogs and toads (I try not to let her, but she occasionally finds them before I do on our walks, the amphibians seem mildly annoyed by this, but not enough to hop away from her, and I make sure to get her away from them ASAP so that they can continue frogging undisturbed.)

  • Trump intervenes to help block law requiring priests report child abuse in confession

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  • I was raised Catholic, but it's been a long time since I've done a confession, I've been an atheist since before I knew there was a word for it and so I haven't set foot in a church in decades except for weddings and funerals.

    But I'm not entirely clear on how this sort of reporting would be supposed to work

    There's usually some sort of screen between the priest and the person making confession, so you can't really get a good look at someone to identify them. I'm sure there's some cases where a priest might be able to identify a regular regular parishioner by voice, but that feels like kind of flimsy evidence. And if someone goes to confession at a different church, or just doesn't attend or interact with the priest one-on-one regularly, then there's basically nothing to go on. Are they going to launch an investigation into half the Catholics in town to determine which one of them might be a child molester?

    I suppose the priest could get up and try to chase the person out of the church to get a good look at them, but thinking back to the fat old guys who were the priests at the churches I went to growing up, I'm pretty sure I could be out the door and in my car speeding away before the priest managed to stand up in his booth to try to follow me.

    If you're lucky, maybe someone waiting in line for confession could identify them, but the handful of times I went, the church was never very crowded for confession, and I doubt most of the people there were paying too much attention to who was coming and going around them.

    If the church has security cameras, I suppose you could identify someone that way, it's been like 20 years so I can't remember if my church growing up had cameras or what their current situation may be. If they did, I doubt they were pointed at the confessionals of all places.

    Sure, they should be required to report what they can, but I doubt there would be many cases where it would lead to anything actionable.

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  • In my experience in American high school (20 or so years ago now) I wouldn't say they're ridiculously overdressed, but certainly kind of an outlier, we might've had a couple girls dress like that on any given day. They'd also probably be violating or at least very close to the limits of my school's dress code with the skirt lengths.

    The left one looks about right to me though. Maybe slightly more dressed up than average, but would blend into most crowds well enough. Except for the heels, I wasn't exactly looking at people's shoes but I don't remember anyone ever wearing heels to school unless there was some sort of special event.

    In general, I'd say the average high schooler back then wore a t shirt or maybe a sports jersey, and if it was cold maybe some of them wore a flannel shirt sweater of some kind (mostly the girls for sweaters)

    A hoodie if it was cold

    Jeans, sweatpants, sometimes pajama pants, shorts when it was hot out, cargo pants (mostly the guys) and once in a while some of the girls would mix in a skirt or dress, but not often.

    You'd also get a handful of preppier kids with khakis and polo shirts or a button-up, a few goths or artsy types, etc. who might wear something crazy, the one weirdo who wore a suit, etc.

    But mostly it was jeans or sweatpants and a t shirt.

    I was more of a cargo pants and t shirt guy myself.

    I don't pay too much attention to what my local teenagers are doing these days, but from what I've seen of them it looks like they've slipped further towards the sweatpants and pajamas end of the spectrum.

  • What kind of climate do you prefer?

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  • Temperatures in fahrenheit, because that's what I think in.

    Winter should be cold and snowy, I'd like there to be about a foot of snow on the ground at all times between December and February.

    Spring should be about in the upper 60s-mid 70s during the day, and rain maybe a couple times a week.

    Summer, I don't ever want the temperature above the 80s, and humidity should be low with a nice breeze. I also want the occasional really good thunder storm, often enough to keep us out of any sort of drought or burn ban, but not so much that we have flooding issues.

    Fall I'd mostly like to be in about the 50s, cooling off towards the end of the season so that it's in about the lower 40s or upper 30s for deer season

  • Democrats try a new tone: Less scripted, more cursing, Trumpier insults

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  • I have no doubt that this will attract some people to turn out and vote

    But I really worry that this will just create a second party of brainwashed idiots who are just riding the hype train and not actually engaging with politics.

    Which, to be fair, is probably what the party leadership wants. If they can get a bunch of people who blindly show up because they bought into the hype, then they don't have to actually of the things those of us who have been paying attention have been begging them to do.

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  • I'm at home in a town about 10-15 miles from the town and hospital I was born in (as the crow flies.)

    And I've lived the majority of my life in a town that's probably about another 3 miles from there.

    If I were asked to name my home town, I wouldn't give the name of the town with the hospital, I'd give the town I grew up in.

    But it's all close enough together that all three towns share a certain sense of hominess for me, I have childhood memories from all 3 towns.

    We all speak, more-or-less, the same local dialect with the same slang (there's a couple shibboleths and bits of local lore that are unique to one part of the county over another) We enjoy the same local foods, root for the same sports teams, attend a lot of the same big local events, etc.

    I proudly, and without a hint of irony, tell people that my ancestry is from that town I grew up in.

    Yes, if you go back 3+ generations, you'll find that all of my ancestors came from various European countries. Little bits of that has trickled down to the current generation, like a certain fondness for pierogi and kielbasa from my Polish side.

    But that's also part of my local culture, those are fairly common food items here too.

    I don't speak any of the languages my ancestors spoke, I've never set foot in those countries. Even my family name hasn't really carried over, my great great grandfather changed the name after having already lived here for some time under the original Italian name. It's a pretty unusual anglicization that barely resembles the original name, and anywhere in the world you may happen to encounter someone with my name, you know they can trace their heritage back to my home town.

    And if you try to go much further back from that, the trail kind of goes cold. You can kind of make some educated guesses at which regions in their various old countries the different branches of my family came from, but not much more than that, except on the aforementioned polish side, some of those ancestors were a little more recent immigrants (though still well-before my time) and we have some communication with some relatives in Poland. Nothing regular, but once in a while someone on either side reaches out to see how things are going, and we know enough that if we really wanted to we could probably track each other down if we ever ended up in each other's countries.

    But overall, my family history pretty much begins with my great-great(or so) grandparents arriving in America and settling in my hometown.

  • 'Batman — except useless': Andrew Cuomo's 'cringey' jumper cable stunt backfires

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  • I work a weird night shift schedule, so I find myself doing a lot of grocery shopping and such later at night, because that's when I'm awake (and also the stores are less crowded)

    One time I was heading back to my car, it was dark, probably around 10pm, the lot was mostly empty. A Hispanic guy with a heavy accent was flagging me down from a couple rows over, asking if I had jumper cables, so I drove my car over and gave him a jump. Shared some brief chitchat over whether we thought it was his battery or his alternator, shook hands, and we went on our separate ways.

    Another time, I was walking into the store, and stopped in the fire lane was a car, with a handful of younger black people trying to get it started with a jump starter. It looked like they knew more or less what they were doing, so I went in and did my grocery shopping. They were still there when I came out, so it was pretty clear that the power pack they had didn't quite have enough juice to do the trick, so I grabbed my cables and headed over to lend a hand. Again, got their car started, shot the shit with them a bit, and went about my night.

    Neither one was a big deal, I'd hope that anyone would do the same for me.

    But when I think about those situations, empty parking lots, late at night, people of color, I think about how many people probably would have just ignored them and not lent a hand.

    Guess I should have been filming, I could have a political career.

    But the real moral of the story is if you have a car, go buy some jumper cables. They're not that expensive, they last basically forever, and sooner or later you or someone else is going to need a jump and you'll be ready to save the day. When I bought my first car at 18, my first stop on my way home from the dealership was to buy a set of jumper cables and some other basic emergency supplies to throw in my trunk. I probably find myself using them at least a couple times a year. Still have those same cables going on a decade later. Probably one of the best purchases I've ever made.

  • What book should I read to my new rescue dog so he becomes accustomed to my voice and presence?

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  • Thank you, and you're not the first person to say you've enjoyed my writing. I do like to think I've had some interesting experiences and that I have a certain knack for storytelling.

    I tend to consider myself more of a storyteller or conversationalist than an author though. Sitting down to write a book that maybe someone somewhere will someday read doesn't really appeal to me, and I don't think my stories necessarily hold up as well on their own without the support of a conversation around them, to some extent I'm usually crafting how I tell stories as a response to something someone said or asked.

    But if you do enjoy what I have to say and how I say it, by all means creep on my profile here a bit, I won't pretend everything there is gold, but there's a couple things mixed in I'm a little bit proud of. This is pretty much the only place you're going to find me online.

    EDIT: Lemmy search is terrible, so good luck finding anything, but for a couple highlights, somewhere in my comment history I have a short history of the Falkland Islands that I'm pretty proud of, a few interesting stories from my job as a 911 dispatcher as well as a long rant about alarm companies that some people seemed to have enjoyed, and a lot of thoughts about life, the universe, and everything.

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  • Years ago, I was in boy scouts (in the US)

    For those not familiar with the scouting program, one of the main philosophies is "boys teaching boys" so in a well-run troop, the older, more experienced, and higher-ranking scouts are responsible for actually running the troop. The adult leaders hand down some general guidelines- we need to be ready to do X at Y time, but actually getting the scouts to do that falls to those older scouts.

    At the top of the youth hierarchy, is the "staff" patrol, the most senior members of the troop. At its head is the Senior Patrol Leader, and under him there would be various other positions- quartermaster, scribe, one or more Assistant Senior Patrol leaders, etc.

    In this story, I was a member of the staff patrol, I believe at the time I was quartermaster, or maybe one of the ASPLs, so I wasn't normally the one running the show, and truth be told I tended to avoid the leadership responsibilities when possible, and I wasn't exactly the most by-the-book, type-a, over-achieving model scout, but I was generally well-liked and respected by the younger members of the troop, I knew my stuff, and I was happy to share my knowledge.

    On this particular camping trip, most of the staff patrol were unable to attend. I believe it was just my friend Dan and myself. Dan is very much the type-a, overachieving type, and, on paper, much more of a model scout, he may even have already earned his eagle by that point, while I was still chilling at star or life rank. So nominally he was the one in-charge for this trip.

    And I was happy to leave him to it. I took my back seat and let him run the show, and I just helped facilitate in the background. And he did a fine job of it, his organizational skills were put to good use throughout the day.

    Dan is exactly the type of person you want schmoozing with businessmen and politicians and such, I won't say that he lacks people skills. But he's not necessarily the kind of guy you want to hang around a campfire with and drink a couple beers. There's a time and place for both skill sets, and sometimes when the task at hand is wrangling a bunch of 11-17 year olds who have been let loose in the woods with pocket knives and taught how to build a fire, it's the second kind of skill you need.

    So towards the end of the day, when the task at hand was basically "get all of these asshole kids to settle down and start getting ready for bed" Dan was kind of at a loss. He enjoyed being the one in charge and didn't particularly want my help, so I sat my ass down and started reading my book, while he tried to herd cats.

    And slowly the younger kids began to gravitate towards me. They asked what I was reading, what it was about, and I told them. They hung around, some read their own books, others busied themselves with other quiet tasks, I think a game of magic or two sprung up around me. More kids drifted over, and they'd ask what I was reading, lather, rinse, repeat.

    It frankly made it pretty hard for me to read my book, I could only get a couple paragraphs in at a time before someone interrupted me.

    So at some point, I decided what I'd do was I'd start reading aloud to them and have a little story time. I wasn't very far into the book, so I started over from the beginning. I gave them a quick run-down of some of the important things from the first book in the series, and I began reading.

    And before too long, all of the younger scouts were gathered around me, listening to me read.

    Mission accomplished. I got them all settled down, and I got to read my book.

    Dan was kind of amazed at how he had spent about 20 minutes trying to get them all to calm the fuck down, and I did it in like 5 minutes by just reading to them.

    That book was The Restaurant at the End of the Universe, the 2nd book of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy 5-part "Trilogy"

    So that's my recommendation. I figure if it works on a bunch of teens and tweens, it will probably work on a dog as well.

    I guess you could start with the first book, but there's something that feels appropriately Douglas-Adamsian to me about starting from the middle and reading to your dog.

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  • I do a movie night once a year and every year we do a different theme. Sometimes it's a pretty normal and straightforward theme, the first year or two I did it was Robert Rodriguez movies (this party is nominally a Cinco de Mayo part) but we quickly ran out of those, so we pick a random theme every year

    One year the theme ended up being "movies that got a better "remake'" (we watched the worse versions)

    I believe that theme was 2023, it's been a wild fucking 2 years so I can't remember all of the movies we watched, we usually manage to squeeze in about 3

    But I remember David Lynch's dune was on the list, as was the Super Mario Bros movie. None of us had actually seen the new Mario movie, so we just kind of took it on faith that it had to be better.

    If I had a point to this story, I've long since forgotten what it was, but I've typed it out and I'm gonna post it.

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  • Doubt anyone's going to see it at this point but figured I'd write out some of my other thoughts now

    When I talk about going back to square one and defining what a firearm even is, I mean that quite literally. Muzzleloaders aren't considered firearms, and no they're not likely to be used in a mass shooting, but they'll still kill someone just as dead as a modern firearm. There's stupid loopholes about antique guns that may function in much the same way as a modern firearm.

    They're fucking guns.

    And with an eye to the future, it may be worth building in a little future with other weapons technologies that may come into play that should be regulated similarly. There are high powered air rifles today that are comparable in stopping power to some firearms, shouldn't they be regulated in a similar manner? Or what if advances in battery technology and such make coil/rail guns viable as man-portable or even concealable weapons?

    We also classify things in really stupid ways. Take a look at some of the weird shit around short barrel shotguns/rifles and "any other weapons" where you can have 2 basically identical weapons that are classified differently just due to a quirk of how they were manufactured. An AR-15 with a short barrel is a no-no unless you're willing to jump through some extra hoops, but you can build an AR-15 "pistol" and slap a -not-a-stock "wrist brace" on it.

    And machine guns are a no-no, but bump stocks, binary triggers, forced-reset triggers, etc. that get you basically the same effect are a-ok. Not to mention that absurdity we had for a few years where shoelaces of a certain length were technically classified as a machine gun.

    I basically want to create 4 categories

    Hunting arms- single shot or manually operated rifles and shotguns with barrel length 16" and greater, rimfire rifles, muzzleloaders, and certain larger handguns. Low rate of fire, not easily concealable.

    Concealed carry weapons- handguns.

    Other firearms- short barrels rifles/shotguns, semi-auto shotguns and centerfire rifles

    Machine guns, destructive devices, etc. we're moving bump stocks, binary triggers, forced reset triggers, etc. into this category.

    For the first 3 categories, the main difference is going to be in the types of training required, as well as the required insurance rates. I think it's also fair to be allowed to purchase hunting arms at 18, and bump the other categories up to 21.

    For the 4th category, we're keeping things largely the same as the current NFA regulations, but we're fixing some of the wonky definitions, and increasing the cost of the tax stamp, because the $200 it was set at in the '30s really hasn't kept up with inflation.

    We're also going to make most gun accessories subject to the same sorts of background checks and such. And we're moving silencers into this category.

    We're unifying gun laws across the country. No more wonky patchwork of different states having their own laws. If it's legal, it's legal across the whole country, if it's illegal, it's illegal everywhere.

    I hate the term, but we're closing the "gun show loophole" (which really has nothing to do with gun shows) all transfers must go through the process. We're also expanding the locations you can do them at, not just FFL dealers anymore, police stations, and some details would need to be figured out for security reasons, but maybe some places like DMVs, post offices, courthouses, etc. and we're getting rid of any fees. No excuses to not do things properly.

    We're beefing up the background checks, getting all states on the same page with what does and does not disqualify someone from owning a gun, red flag laws, probably disqualifying people with DUIs (if I don't trust you with a car I certainly don't trust you with a gun)

    And we're delisting marijuana so that if you like to smoke up once in a while you're able to keep your guns.

    Along with the changes in ages, we're also making some changes to police and military. If you can't legally purchase and carry a handgun or rifle as a civilian, you don't get to carry them in your line of work either. You're exempt from the draft until 21, you can enlist at 18 but only serve in non-combat roles until 21, and if you do enlist before age 21, you will receive education and training equivalent to that many years of college or vocational training. Police academy will become a 4 year program equivalent to a bachelors degree. Also off-duty officers do not get any special exemptions in their eligibility to carry firearms, and their duty weapon stays locked up at the station when off the clock. There's a whole lot more I have to say about police reform too, but that's an entirely different rant.

    Firearms must be stored in a properly-rated safe that is either firmly attached to the structure of your home - studs, floor joist, concrete, brick, or other masonry walls, etc. or that is heavy enough that it can't be easily moved by 2 guys with a hand truck. No leaving them in your car, unsecured in your garage,in the night stand, etc. when you're not able to directly oversee them. We're not going to be doing in-home inspections on this, but if it's somehow found that you're storing them improperly, like if someone is able to steal them because they weren't properly secured, then you lose your right to own guns.

    If you lose your firearm (I work in 911 dispatch, the amount of calls I've had for guns found in bathrooms, movie theaters, etc. that someone left behind is pretty worrying) or have a negligent discharge (that isn't the result of a manufacturing defect,) you lose your right to own guns.

    We're making some major changes to stand your ground laws and castle doctrine, I don't have a problem with castle doctrine as a general concept, but a lot of states' implementations leave a lot to be desired. When your outside of your home, I think the focus should be more on duty-to-retreat (again, I work in 911 dispatch, I don't think a night goes by that I don't have a dozen calls that could have been solved without police intervention if my caller just fucking walked away but instead escalated into some sort of fight)

    No, we are not arming teachers. Full stop.

    I'm probably missing some things here, and there's a lot of details I'm glossing over a bit because this comment is already too long, but hopefully this kind of paints a general picture of where my head is at.

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  • It's not, and that would be addressed in the stuff I didn't feel like writing last night (and still don't)

    And I don't feel like writing it because there's a lot to it, to just barely scratch the surface, my ideal gun control reform would be part of major overhauls to basically all aspects of government and we'd have things like universal healthcare (which would cover the psych eval,) government funded childcare (so that you can do something with your kids while you jump through the hoops,) free and expanded public transportation (so that you can get to the courthouse or wherever you need to,) expanded workers rights (so that you would have PTO to use to go do all of that,) expanded hours for government offices (so that people hopefully don't even need to use that PTO, I know it my county to get a concealed carry permit you have to be able to get to those courthouse during certain hours on certain days, the courthouse isn't conveniently located and the hours suck, most people probably have to take a day off of work and get up early to do it, that's bullshit) and we'd be getting rid of most fees for government services or at least making them scale to income.

    And of course, were funding this by massive taxes on the wealthy.

    Basically we're putting a hell of a lot of hoops in the way, but we're paving the way to those hoops so that anyone who wants to has a fair shot at being allowed to attempt to jump through them.

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    Our gun laws are a patchwork of really dumb state and federal laws and regulations that often don't make much sense and there is little consistency. I think we pretty much need to go back to square one with basic shit like defining what constitutes a "firearm" and go from there.

    I have a lot of thoughts on this and I'm not going to write them all out here right now, because it would get really lengthy and I just don't feel like it right now (if there's interest in hearing what this random internet stranger has to say I may write it up later)

    But in general I think that people should be able to own guns, but I also think that there should be a lot of hoops to jump through to get them, background checks, proficiency tests, education , training, insurance, psychological evaluations, storage requirements, etc.

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    TIL the plastic wall plug, used in homes and construction worldwide, was invented by German engineer Artur Fischer in 1958. His simple nylon dowel forever changed how we hang, fix, and build.

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  • I've actually been pretty impressed with the plastic screw-in type

    I haven't had one fail on me yet and they've been plenty stable for my uses. I have some pretty heavy wall shelves hung in my kitchen with them (though to be fair, each shelf is probably held up with about 4-8 of them, not like I'm actually hanging 50-100lbs or whatever they claim to be rated for off of just 1 or 2 of them.

    It's been a few years since I hung them, but I think I also got a couple lags into studs as well, but the majority of it is screw-in wall anchors because no one who designs shelves ever seems to make them with standard stud spacing in mind.

    Quick and easy to go in, and easier to remove. Sure they leave a bigger hole, but it's not like it's significantly harder to patch a ½inch hole than a smaller hole, it's still in the realm of what I can pretty much just spackle over. And if/when I take them down, I'll probably be doing plenty of painting, spackling, sanding, etc. anyway