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  • Information doesn't reach people equally. The media is complicit for underrepresenting this issue, makes sense some people haven't heard about it yet. And the USA's racist culture of treating migrants like worthless cattle is guilty of making these stories sell less when the media actually tries to talk about them.

    This is about people who were aware of the situation and dismissed, minimized, ignored it. Which is a lot of people. People I've been having interactions with for the past decade. It isn't about you. But there's still a lesson to be learned here: how come it hasn't reached you, and what can we change on a structural level to make sure this reaches people widely when it inevitably happens again. There's an actual conversation to be had, and the topic isn't guilt, it's stopping the death machine.

    Being dismissive, feeling personally guilty, etc. is how you make sure nothing changes, and guarantees people will keep dying in those camps for decades to come because you and most of the other people in this thread were too busy making this all about yourselves instead of discussing the actual racial bias issues at hand.

    Condolences regarding your cat. I know how it feels. Can be as bad as losing a close human. Been there multiple times throughout my life and it never gets better. Got three cats right now and I regularly wake up from nightmares in which I dream they died, you have my full empathy on this topic. I hope you're handling the grief well, if not therapy genuinely helps. Now that this is out of the way, stop throwing yourself as a shield in the way of people who are refusing to confront their racial bias. They don't need any protection, and you don't need to be offering them more excuses.

    Sorry (not sorry) about lashing out but I'm getting genuinely pissed at this never ending influx of replies three days in. So many egotistical comments from losers jerking each other off all over the place. Done being polite, the fediverse has a gigantic fragility issue regarding race and masculinity, and I won't stop posting content that addresses both, won't stop replying to people trying to minimize those issues, and won't stop shutting up people who derail conversations by making them about themselves.

  • To be fair, media underreporting the suffering of minorities is part of the equation.

  • The abolish ICE movement is not new, it already existed throughout the first Trump presidency. It mostly stopped during the Biden presidency since he showed good will by reversing the most abusive of Trump's policies right away (proving he wasn't a mere figurehead and had the power to provide change), but the core rot of border patrol prison camps and treating migrants like cattle never stopped.

    I honestly don’t think of a President as more than a figurehead.

    Yet his primaries were the best opportunity to send a clear signal that progressives were fed up with his inwards dehumanizing policies and his outwards genocidal policies. Not many seemed to care as he had no real opposition. At some point people have to take responsibility for being complacent, and instead of feeling fragile about it or personally attacked by it (this whole thread), understanding that this is about learning from the past, and figuring out what to do in order for this to never happen again in the future.

    People knew extremely well what ICE was and did, since after Trump won a common "joke" on social media was threats to call ICE on the latinos or arabs that voted for Trump. I remember seeing many of those, and being disgusted at how some progressives will only support minorities as long as they support them, and treated ICE as a joke despite the murders still going on.

  • It's never been covered up.

    This has always been very public knowledge, with which the US population was complacent.

    Biden was not primary'd out despite having a role in this, proving that even progressives were fine with it.

    Trump was reelected despite knowledge that he would make the situation worse, proving a lot of the US population loves this.

    Liberals only started caring about the death camp police once they started shooting people in public, and are now feeling rightfully afraid since ICE is ok killing whites too now. I fear that the ongoing movement is going to be a defensive one, do a bit of defund ICE roleplay, stop when ICE says ok we're not shooting people on the streets anymore you win, and be fine with that conclusion. A complete dismantling and prosecution of ICE, including a liberation of all the migrants in the camps (especially the thousands "lost" by the system) is the only way forward otherwise the death toll will keep getting worse - 2026 is already the worst year on record in that regard and we're still in january.

    Insert the MLK quote on white liberals being worse enemies to minorities than the KKK. Don't care much about this thread's feelings by now since they've demonstrated they only care how the situation affects their own feelings, instead of seeing that there is a bigger picture of a social justice fight for migrants being potentially derailed by liberals who are only looking for justice for themselves. I would hate to be the "told you so" person in a while after this whole thing fizzles out and nothing changes, praying time proves me wrong.

  • Gourmet comment.

    It's good to feel heard in the sea of fragile whiteness on display in this comment section.

    Have a beautiful day.

  • I'm not sure you're allowed to discuss the concept of self-awareness.

  • Damn you mad.

    Done putting absurd words in my mouth anytime soon or do you have a few more comments like that left in you?

  • Am I pretending that?

    Good and Pretti themselves were both white frontline protesters, among many others who have been at it for a long time. They're role models.

    Whatever reading comprehension disaster is going on in this comment section is something else

  • Reading comprehender.

  • The Fediverse suffers from extreme whiteness, that's all there is to it.

    I think that's a better explanation when comparing the nature/contents of the conversations it's spawning on different platforms.

    Not the first time I'm noticing it either.

  • From the Oxford dictionary

    the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.

    I doubt anything can be more satirical than making a comic that portrays in an exaggerated way some people's blind spot for racial issues until they affect them personally in the context of contemporary politics.

    Guessing your definition is "things I agree with are satire and things that upset me aren't" :)

  • Huh, you're right, I fucked it up.

    My bad.

  • Well good, now that you're focused on the moment, it's a perfect time to remind you (or make you aware) that ICE actually murdered many more people than most think, that there are thousands of people "lost in the system" that ICE can't track and whose lawyers and families can't find, and that the way the agency operates is a systemic issue that has existed for over a decade, long before the recent escalations.

    Now you know the actual scope of your enemy: defunding them isn't enough, that shit needs to be pulled by the roots and dismantled piece by piece until there's not a trace of them left. If it's not done all the way through, it won't end with Trump (after all it continued operating and killing under Biden). If people only protest the public murders instead of the very existence of ICE and their concentration camp system well… the camps will still be there.

    See, that's exactly what I'm doing. Making sure we're fighting the same fight, and understanding who the enemy really is.

  • YYYY-MM-DD, ISO-8601.

    Wouldn't need to use it if the USA used a logical date format, but my content is read by people from various countries, so…

  • This comment section is the only platform on which I'm being ratio'd fwiw.

    Been making satire long enough to not care much when people get mad, I stand firmly by the things I write.

  • Even r/comics on reddit has more interesting/constructive takes on this comic, which is worrying for Lemmy.

    This one Redditor (Calli5031) puts it much more elegantly than me:

    it's absolutely a good thing that white people are starting to get organized and get out into the streets to resist the regime. it's also frustrating (and indicative of how deep the white supremacist rot runs in our society) that the point at which "people can't excuse state violence as an occasional occurrence" isn't the decades of abuse, rape, and murder of migrants and people and color, but the point at which it disturbs white safety and comfort.

    i'm sure plenty of the current crop of white anti-ICE protesters were probably against state violence in the abstract sense, but the fact that they weren't moved to action before now isn't a neutral fact existing in some contextless, ahistorical vacuum, it is reflective of the fact that, consciously or not, white america simply does not value black lives the same as white ones.

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