This is why the moon is critical. Going to mars or wherever will be insanely expensive compared to the little moon trip. To make it at all affordable, you don’t just need one of the new reusable launch vehicles but you need to use local resources as much as possible. Let’s prove our ice mining and habitat construction
Consider spending tens of billions of dollars just sending water to mars, and hope you don’t screw up the schedule when an “emergency” resupply is nine months. Same for air. And food. So much more for fuel. No one is going to spend that. But if you can use local resources for fuel, water, air, radiation shielding, and grow at least some of your own food, you’re more resilient and much much cheaper.
The mining isn’t likely to be useful for sending anything back to earth - way too expensive. Space mining is all about making space affordable, and we’re talking about really fundamental things to mine.
They’re testing entirely new everything. Just because it’s the same shape as Apollo doesn’t mean there’s anything in common
Are you not excited by the high resolution pictures sent while they were still out there ? Apollo would have brought back film to be developed on earth?
It’s a lot more than that, starting with transit time - take a few week lunar mission and scale it up to years
after such a long trip out in microgravity, will astronauts even be functional when they get there? ISS astronauts in space that long have a hard time standing, walking, etc, and now they need to assemble their habitat for the next couple years?
by the time they get back they will have been in space longer than ISS limits
while nasa has very detailed planning, anything that messes up and an “emergency” supply or rescue takes nine months or more?
so much more fuel needed to deal with trying to get there fast then Mars’s gravity well
imagine any medical emergency
there is no short mission where they can try something then head back after a few days. The shortest mission is over 2 years
There are an endless number of problems here on earth. However while we can make a difference, establish a trend, we can never fix them. It’s a losing battle. We fix at least as many problems by improving technology, civilization.
Let’s take refrigerators. There are way too many people without adequate food and there always will be. We can fix the excesses, we can set a trend but we will never end hunger. However technology advances, overall societies become wealthier, and now at least in developed countries almost everyone has access to refrigeration. Trying to help the hungry doesn’t get us there, shifting the whole society forward does.
We may not have concrete ideas how Artemis can shift society forward but in general big technology challenges do
I’m on the other side, wondering where everyone is
We’re bogged down in so much misery, so much self-destructive behavior, so many exploiters and scams, so many people in desperate circumstances …. But Artemis (and similar) is meeting a challenge, doing the impossible, setting a vision of a greater humanity, shifting civilization forward. It’s a reason to live, to hope, to be optimistic, and probably benefits even the most desperate by shifting society forward.
I agree there probably isn’t one, but so what? If a country did terrible things, but if you were the decider so would you, or if you were a product of that age and so would you, then how judgmental can we be.
For example there are a lot of evils around colonialism and it’s unacceptable today , but it seemed widely accepted a couple hundred years ago. Obviously there are degrees and some things can never be excused, but was basic colonialism really a terrible thing, say to an average Englishman 200 years ago? Terrible but realistic
At the risk of getting blasted here, I’ll do it: consider the us attack on Iran as an example. It’s clearly a terrible action. Maybe there are reasons they think justify it, but not available in public, but even if it were in any way justifiable it’s clearly a terrible action. Yet I can see there being reasons any country might decide it needs to do similar. I can see there being circumstances where the average lemming would make a similar choice. Terrible but realistic
Not that I’d complain about non-us ideas, but I want a chance to try them. A couple of recent notables include HP Sauce from England and curry ketchup from Germany
Traditional and culture are good if you like the food as it was originally. Here in the us, too much ethnic food is Americanized, sometimes for the worst. After experiencing a few more authentic Chinese restaurants, I’ve come to realize the many I don’t like are because they’ve been Americanized. Badly. A lot more sweet, milder flavors, everything fried.
This is why the moon is critical. Going to mars or wherever will be insanely expensive compared to the little moon trip. To make it at all affordable, you don’t just need one of the new reusable launch vehicles but you need to use local resources as much as possible. Let’s prove our ice mining and habitat construction
Consider spending tens of billions of dollars just sending water to mars, and hope you don’t screw up the schedule when an “emergency” resupply is nine months. Same for air. And food. So much more for fuel. No one is going to spend that. But if you can use local resources for fuel, water, air, radiation shielding, and grow at least some of your own food, you’re more resilient and much much cheaper.
The mining isn’t likely to be useful for sending anything back to earth - way too expensive. Space mining is all about making space affordable, and we’re talking about really fundamental things to mine.