As someone who understands, if not necessarily openly espouses, anti-natalist ideology, I can give a bit of elucidation from my perspective of the philosophy of utilitarianism, which I am happy to debate. It would be nice to be proven wrong here.
It comes down, in my opinion and understanding, to the following argument:
an entity is inherently unable to consent to its own creation. [A postulate]
suffering has a net-negative effect on the (perceived or actual) value of existence [precept of utilitarianism]
suffering knowingly enacted against any entity which cannot give informed consent is eqquivalent to the suffering of an entity which is actively not consenting [by which argument paedophilia is a crime]
The potential suffering inherent in life is foreseeable, as is the potential of a human life to harm the lives of others. [The basis of the concept of negligence]
An entity that is not created does not harm or cause others to suffer, nor does it experience harm or suffering [postulate]
From propositions 1 through 5:
You are personally, morally responsible for the life which you create, both its actions and its experiences, as all of its experiences and actions are exclusively contingent on the act of its creation. It is from this moral duty that parental responsibility derives.
there is a foreseeable possibility that the entity being created could endure enough suffering (or be the cause of same) to make the value of their life net-negative
From propositions 5 and 6, and the various observations one might make of the world (from climate change, to the renewed rise of fascism and the far-right, and a myriad of other "natural shocks which flesh is heir to"), they suggest:
On cost-benefit analysis, the expected value of a new life which I might create is net-negative.
From which:
it would be irresponsible (read: negligent) to procreate.
That is the basis. If you can prove each of those propositions, then from a utilitarian perspective, I think anti-natalism follows. I am personally convinced up to proposition 6, and I am personally waiting until I no longer feel that 7 has a chance of being valid before I have children. There are plenty of ways you can argue against the propositions, but as they stand, there is no indication of a moral duty to end already-extant life or to engage in mass-sterilisation of animals. There are certainly people who try to come at it from a nihilistic perspective, and it's MUCH easier to argue pretty much anything from nihilism than from utilitarianism, but I, being primarily utilitarian, hold with the above.
I also think that the person saying "anti-natalists think children are awful to be around" is presenting a ridiculous strawman. I'm a public school teacher, and I love being around kids. The wonder with which they view the cosmos is forever inspiring to me, but many of my students have experienced truly awful things. I believe my moral duty involves doing everything I can to minimize the suffering of entities that exist. I think that, once a child has been created, you now have a moral duty to make that child's life as free from suffering and as fulfilling and rich as possible (without imposing suffering on others, of course)
Total guess, but: Lake effect probably prevents huge temperature swings further east (the great lakes are GIGANTIC sinks of energy), and there are mountains to the west, I believe. The problem is the flat area pictured.
Also, the shape of the polar vortex wind mass isn't uniform, so it likely dips further south in that region than others (in part due to the barriers described above)
Since the person above didn't actually give enough information for someone to understand:
Look up "Acid Mine Drainage". Its when sulfide minerals react with water and oxygen to produce sukfuric acid, and it occurs in pretty much every mine once it's opened, and continues to accrue and leak for thousands of years. Ancient Roman mines are still leaking the toxic, acidic sludge today, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
I disagree. He's a scientist, he stands against gun violence, and is the categorical opposite of pretty much everything this administration stands for (including what I perceive to be an unfortunate straight-lacedness and by-the-book attitude). Having someone with actual experience in science is, I believe, exactly what the country would need to start pulling itself back together. However, even more important is a willingness to execute the spirit of the law against those who have made a mockery of it. I would want to see a commitment to punishment, investigation, and open books. A full airing of laundry and a clean wash. My concern is that he might not have the guts to do it. He doesn't strike me as a half-asser, but he might choose compromise, when all that compromise has gotten is full-throated Nazi appeasement and, now, a fascist xenocidal state.
Unfortunately, the primary vaccine against conservatism requires near-daily doses for about 14 years, and the virus has gotten control of the purse strings over the "basic secondary education" vaccine development program.
I'm not arguing that they couldnt become omniscient, which is the entire point of what I wrote, which it seems you elected not to read, given that this reply is simply a restatement of your prior take. Though I would point out that your definition of omnipotent is clearly flawed: any truly omnipotent being could do things which, to mortals are logically impossible (miracles). It seems you may just be cherry picking your definitions. In modern Christian faith (you know, the thing we're ostensibly talking about), there are 4 words which are used to describe the traits of god: omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent. If you decide you want to redefine one of them, that's your affair, but don't expect me to agree with you.
Omniscience is not implied by omnipotence. Choosing to be omniscient would first require a perfect knowledge of in what ways they are not omniscient. A sniper in a tower may have the power to destroy any living thing within 300 yards, but if they don't know what their target is, the power to act doesn't grant them the knowledge necessary to do so effectively. This, writ-large, is why most people list omniscience in addition to omnipotence among the powers of the abrahamic god (omnibenevolence has been added by much more recent Christians who don't read the bible). Being all-knowing is required in order to effectively utilise omnipotence, but is not implied by it.
Also, A is listed as the base assumption, and is thus not redundant. It is what you fall back on if B-D are held true, by reductio ad absurdum. Since the other three cannot be true with our definitions of them, and they must be true in order to fit the definition of God according to these people, A would be true by reduction.
I don't think it's unfair to include the whole world when the biggest ones are basically everywhere (climate change, viral swords of Damocles, rampant racism, sexism and other discrimination, corrupt leaders and the rise of the global far-right, etc.)
And others, like affordable housing, are similarly out-of-reach throughout most of the world.
I'm not going to defend the person above from having to confront the Problem of Evil (of which confrontation they seem to be in desperate need), but to play YHWH's advocate for a moment:
They are suggesting that they subscribe to a more traditional view of "hell" than is depicted in, say, Dante's Inferno. They claim that Hell is merely the absence of god's love, and that that existence without god is torment enough. They are not suggesting that God has set up a lake of fire for Samael and the other fallen angels to prod at you with pitchforks. Their idea of hell is like an endless void of nothing, alone with your thoughts, cold and alone. Simply "without".
Now, why an omnipotent being would choose to create a universe where there is such a dichotomy in treatment is another matter. The existence of an Omnibenevolent, omnipotent and omniscient being is mutually exclusive with our experienced reality, unless our definition of "benevolent" does not accurately describe the being's morals.
I.e., Either God:
(A) does not exist;
(B) is not all-powerful;
(C) is not all-seeing/knowing
(D) is not all-good.
It isn't that "this argument wouldn't work on me", you addlepated twit, it's that I WOULDN'T NEED SUCH AN ARGUMENT, LET ALONE THE THREAT OF ETERNAL DAMNATION, TO CONVINCE ME TO DO GOOD, and anyone who does require such a threat is a bad person, kept from committing heinous acts only by fear of retribution, and is worthy of contempt. Full stop.
Do you have the values on which these back-of-the-napkin calculations were based? As a natural sciences teacher, I'd love to discuss it with my students as an example.
As someone who understands, if not necessarily openly espouses, anti-natalist ideology, I can give a bit of elucidation from my perspective of the philosophy of utilitarianism, which I am happy to debate. It would be nice to be proven wrong here.
It comes down, in my opinion and understanding, to the following argument:
From propositions 1 through 5:
From propositions 5 and 6, and the various observations one might make of the world (from climate change, to the renewed rise of fascism and the far-right, and a myriad of other "natural shocks which flesh is heir to"), they suggest:
From which:
That is the basis. If you can prove each of those propositions, then from a utilitarian perspective, I think anti-natalism follows. I am personally convinced up to proposition 6, and I am personally waiting until I no longer feel that 7 has a chance of being valid before I have children. There are plenty of ways you can argue against the propositions, but as they stand, there is no indication of a moral duty to end already-extant life or to engage in mass-sterilisation of animals. There are certainly people who try to come at it from a nihilistic perspective, and it's MUCH easier to argue pretty much anything from nihilism than from utilitarianism, but I, being primarily utilitarian, hold with the above.
I also think that the person saying "anti-natalists think children are awful to be around" is presenting a ridiculous strawman. I'm a public school teacher, and I love being around kids. The wonder with which they view the cosmos is forever inspiring to me, but many of my students have experienced truly awful things. I believe my moral duty involves doing everything I can to minimize the suffering of entities that exist. I think that, once a child has been created, you now have a moral duty to make that child's life as free from suffering and as fulfilling and rich as possible (without imposing suffering on others, of course)