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  • Information should not be gated or owned in a way that would make it illegal for anyone to access it under proper conditions.

    Then you don't believe content creators should have any control over their own works?

    The "proper conditions" are deemed by the content creator, not the consumers.

    Doing a GET request doesn’t do that.

    Not at all. It consumes at most, a watt.

    What kind of problems that would be?

    Increasing my hosting bill, to accommodate the senseless traffic being sent my way?

    Outages for my site, making my content unavailable for legitimate users?

    You have to agree that at one point “be used by LLM” would not be different from “be used by a user”.

    Not at all. LLMs are not users.

    It’s self-hosted and free.

    If you want, or they charge for the hosted version. If they want to use a paid for version, then they can divert some of that revenue to me, the creator, because without creators, they would have no product.

    How does that prohibit usage and processing of your info? That sounds like “I won’t be providing any comments on Lemmy website, if you want my opinion you can mail me at a@b.com

    That's a apples and oranges comparison, and you know it.

    That will never block all of them. Your info will be used without your consent and you will not feel troubled from it. So you might not feel troubled if more things do the same.

    Perplexity seems to be troubled by it.

    What if I use my local hosted LLM? Anyway, the point is, selling text can’t work well, and you’re going to spend much more resources on collecting and summarizing data about how your text was used and how others benefited from it, in order to get compensation, than it worths.

    If selling text can't work well, then why do LLM products insist on using my text, to sell it?

    Also, it might be the case that some information is actually worthless when compared to a service provided by things like LLM, even though they use that worthless information in the process.

    LLMs are a net negative, as far as costs go. They consume far more in resources than they provide in benefit. If my information was worthless without an LLM, it's worthless with an LLM, therefore, LLMs don't need to access it. Periodt.

    The bottom line? Content creators get the first say in how their content is used, and consumed. You are not entitled to their labor, for free, and without condition.

  • And I'll downvote ya again, if I could :)

    FWIW, I don't owe you a reply :)

  • On Reddit, I was doing that, but every few months. At most, a year, before the username got canned.

  • We are talking about Starlink here, correct? Owned by Elon?

    That said, all satellite networks are subject to dying if their ground-stations are taken offline, so if "all the fiber for a country goes down", so does Starlink.

  • It works, only if Elon wants it to work. Did you forget he shut it off during the war, several times?

  • That all sounds very vague to me, and I don’t expect it to be captured properly by law any time soon.

    It already has been captured, properly in law, in most places. We can use the US as an example: Both intellectual property and real property have laws already that cover these very items.

    What does it mean for you and how is it different from being accessed by a user?

    Well, does a user burn up gigawatts of power, to access my site every time? That's a huge different.

    Imagine you host a weather forecast. If that information is public, what kind of compensation do you expect from anyone or anything who accesses that data?

    Depends on the terms of service I set for that service.

    Is it okay for a person to access your site?

    Sure!

    Is it okay for a script written by that person to fetch data every day automatically?

    Sure! As long as it doesn't cause problems for me, the creator and hoster of said content.

    Would it be okay for a user to dump a page of your site with a headless browser?

    See above. Both power usage and causing problems for me.

    Would it be okay to let an LLM take a look at it to extract info required by a user?

    No. I said, I do not want my content and services to be used by and for LLMs.

    Have you heard about changedetection.io project?

    I have now. And should a user want to use that service, that service, which charges 8.99/month for it needs to pay me a portion of that, or risk having their service blocked.

    There no need to use it, as I already provide RSS feeds for my content. Use the RSS feed, if you want updates.

    If some of these sound unfair to you, you might want to put a DRM on your data or something.

    Or, I can just block them, via a service like Cloud Flare. Which I do.

    Would you expect a compensation from me after reading your comment?

    None. Unless you're wanting to access if via an LLM. Then I want compensation for the profit driven access to my content.

  • I know, I was being cheeky :) Cheers!

  • They were not more stable. Any occlusion, including thick clouds, would degrade the signal to being unusable

    You have the same issue with Starlink...

    Yeah, I use voice chat every day, it’s not noticeable.

    The people on the call do...

  • Here you are acknowledge that ground-based systems are very vulnerable to attack.

    Which includes the ground stations that Starlink uses.

  • Well, until we abolish capitalism, that's the state of things. Unless you feel like Nazis MUST be freely given access to everything too?

  • Wonder how your starlink will work once it reaches it's peak market saturation?

  • Are satellite links easier to take down than a fiber link? No

    Depends on what we're talking about.

    Is it easy, in any conceivable scenario, to take out an entire nation's web of cabled infra? No, not at all, and would require the same state actor level threat it would to take out a satellite train. It's just cheaper to do it in space, and less prone to failing than it would be to try a land-based infra attack.

    Do Starlink satellite need to be replaced at extreme cost? Yes, but so does terresrrial network infrastructure.

    We do not need to replace all the fiber, and all the coax, and all the transceivers every 5 years, at a cost of 10s of billions. At most? You need to replace stuff in a DC/DSLAM/termination point and the client side. All the fiber and coax in between is still usable for 20 years, even. And the endpoints don't need to be upgraded physically, most times, it's a software update pushed.

    Ever wonder why Ukraine was using Starlink for network connections in the first place?

    Because Russia bombed their power plants, all the cabling, and it was a literal war zone. And relied on infrastructure that was terrestrial outside of the war zone. And to replace all the infra (Outside of the power plants) will still be cheaper than a couple of trains being launched for StarLink.

    Your points, that satellites based networks are more vulnerable and prohibitively expensive is simply not compatible with reality.

    You do know StarLink can be taken down by targeting their ground stations, right?

  • So if connecting to the electrical grid wasn’t realistic I’m willing to bet that a fiber connection also isn’t realistic.

    If fiber isn't possible due to electrical grids being non-existent... A power hungry sat transceiver will likely be a non-starter, too.

    It’s hard to believe you think fiber can work for literally everything.

    I don't think it can. I also don't think Starlink can work for literally everything, either. There are better, and faster, and cheaper solutions like Microwave backhauls and cellular data service for the last mile.

    I hadn’t even mentioned the use case of vehicles yet, boats, planes, trains, trucks, campers, obviously you can’t run fiber to a vehicle.

    Boats are the one outlier here, that cannot be reach via cell service, with a fraction of the cost of Starlink. And sure, boats can use it, and boats should pay the full cost of the package. No need for government money to fund them, they didn't need it before, and don't need it now. Boaters were quite satisfied paying their Iridium bills in the past.

  • There are areas of the planet where there is no signal or fibre.

    So, we should take the billions per train launch, and install microwave backhauls and cellular service to cover those dead zones.

  • Except, it's not a live user hitting 10 sights all the same time, trying to crawl the entire site... Live users cannot do that.

    That said, if my robots.txt forbids them from hitting my site, as a proxy, they obey that, right?

  • And, wait until Starlink hits saturation... Your speeds will be 1mb down, 300kb up, and latency hitting 100ms...

    You're only benefiting from early adoption at this time. It can only get worse the more they onboard.

    Starlink is 120/mo.

    How much for install?

  • An accurate comparison for the impact of blowing up the entire Starlink constellation would be to remove ALL the fiber optic cables in an entire nation, not just the undersea cables. That is a more accurate comparison.

    Oh, so you mean a very viable attack today (Taking out swaths of constellations) is on par with destroying a sizeable segment of a web of fiber that is very interconnected, and very resilient to outages due to a single fiber?

    I may not have an expert level of economic knowledge, but the fact that Starlink exists and it can provide better service than rural broadband programs or the extensive terrestrial mobile broadband networks (which still use satellites BTW) is a pretty good indicator that it is viable.

    It's viable because we are funding that, with gobs of money, instead of using those gobs of money to fund something that is "Buy once, cry once" instead of Starlinks "must be replaced in total, every 5 years, at billions per train".

    Frankly this entire statement is insulting, and you should retract it.

    No, and frankly, you're digging yourself into a deeper hole.

  • Previous satellite Internet using satellites in geosynchronous orbit had 1500ms latency, for comparison.

    Yes, and are far more stable, not hyped, and are already at pretty much peak congestion. Starlink will get progressively worse, the more people use it. Right now, it's over provisioned.

    The point is, unless you’re playing some hyper competitive game where a 30ms difference in reaction time is noticeable (

    Ever try a voice call with 30ms of latency?

  • So, not 4x, but 2x.

    BTW, did you know HughesNet is cheaper, and works just as well. Or, it will work just as well once Starlink reaches the saturation HughesNet faces.