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"He's a bot." - Person with 3 posts since 2025.

DISCLAIMER: This account may exhibit unusual levels of activity due to actually using Lemmy. Any reports that I am a bot were filed by Reddit agent provocateurs that want to have no content on lemmy.

  • I've built several web businesses that actually make money, so yes, I tend to look at things through the lens of whether a product is working and what trajectory it's on.

    And from that perspective, Lemmy right now feels like a skeleton of what it could be. That's not "valuing numbers above everything." It's recognizing that hundreds of thousands of people have tried it, MAU remains tiny, and huge numbers of communities are barely alive.

    You can make fun of the "C-suite" language, but retention and growth aren't imaginary concepts invented by Reddit executives. They're how you tell whether people actually want to keep using something.

    I think Lemmy has enormous potential. That's precisely why I'm arguing about this instead of just leaving.

  • I understand the distinction. We disagree on what counts as "good content."

    You're assuming that because something came from Reddit and was submitted automatically, it's inherently lower value. I'm not.

    And again, this isn't a copy-paste script blindly mirroring Reddit. There are multiple layers of curation: score thresholds, freshness limits, duplicate detection, community-specific rules, content filtering, and AI evaluation. Relevance to the specific community is literally one of the things being evaluated.

    Could that filtering make mistakes? Absolutely. So can a human moderator or someone manually choosing posts. If particular posts are bad, downvote them, remove them, or tell me the filtering needs adjustment. That's useful feedback.

    But there's also a chicken-and-egg problem with "I prefer conversations that are already happening." Someone has to start those conversations. If most users prefer commenting rather than submitting, where are all those conversations supposed to come from?

    That's the 90-9-1 problem I've been talking about. Most people consume, fewer comment, and very few actually submit content.

    And the results matter. Lemmy has hundreds of thousands of registered accounts, yet only tens of thousands are monthly active, and many communities remain nearly empty. We can't simultaneously say "people prefer joining existing conversations" and then treat supplying things for them to discuss as inherently harmful.

    I'm completely open to arguing about quality, volume, thresholds, or relevance. Those can all be improved.

    What I reject is the idea that automated = spam and manually submitted = good. Quality should be judged by the content, not by how many mouse clicks it took to submit it.

  • jerkface 0 posts, user for 3 years

  • oh I have ideas ;)

  • "It feels way better populated" isn't the same thing as actually growing.

    That's the part I keep coming back to. Lemmy's MAU has been hovering around the same relatively small level for months now. actually down from a year ago YOY. lemmy is contracting.https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats^ its an objective fact based on raw numbers lemmy so nicely provides. we are down 2k MAU year over year.

    The current stats literally track monthly active users, and we're still talking about roughly tens of thousands of people, not sustained breakout growth.

    And the wider Fediverse has the same retention problem: FediDB currently shows 14 million total accounts but only about 1.17 million monthly active users.

    So maybe your personal moderation experience has been great. That's completely valid. Mine hasn't.

    But "it got this far" isn't evidence that the strategy is working. If the goal is critical mass, years of stagnation and mostly empty communities are evidence that something isn't working.

  • You're making this way more personal than it needs to be.

    I don't want Reddit. I want some of the content and discussion density Reddit has, without Reddit's platform, moderation, and corporate control. Those are not the same thing.

    And yes, I am curating it. There are age limits, score thresholds, duplicate checks, community rules, and filtering before anything gets posted. You can dislike the result, but calling it an unfiltered barrage doesn't make that true.

    If you think the volume is too high, that's a fair criticism. If you think certain posts are low quality, downvote them, block me, or argue for rate limits.

    But jumping from "I don't like these reposts" to attacking my personal worth is exactly the kind of hostility that makes this place harder to grow.

  • you dont have a standing. contribute then you can say something

  • I do run one bot accounts already. problem with bots - most communities just ban them outright even if there is no human content anyways. which I find hilarious that they would rather die.but I indeed found 1 community that accepted bot and not banned and I had to create 3 communities myself. but generally people would rather ban bots than allow bots.

    btw sanitation is not a bot account, im not talking about sanitation.

  • I do run some bot accounts already. problem with bots - most communities just ban them outright even if there is no human content anyways. which I found hilarious, they would rather die.but I indeed found that some communities well receive them.

  • I want combined thing - take everythign good reddit has, but also produce own original content (which btw own content could be garbage too).

  • Lemmy: ~756,000 registered, ~35,000 MAU.

    ill leave you at this. no - lemmy is not better. its a skeleton of what it can be

  • Because you're assuming more users necessarily means lower-quality content, and I don't accept that premise.

    What does Lemmy gain from millions of users? More commenters, more communities, more developers, more donations, more instance operators, and most importantly, more people eventually creating genuinely native Lemmy content.

    You can't demand a thriving organic content ecosystem while simultaneously being hostile to the growth required to create one.

    And Reddit content isn't automatically "low quality" because it appeared on Reddit. Reddit contains garbage and excellent content. The entire point of curation is separating the two.

    we can have both -reddit content and best organic lemmy content, but we have to grow lemmy first

    btw u have 0 posts. why are you not posting?

  • Hahah. Those aren't mutually exclusive. Fediverse's does a lot of self harm it seems.

    But after my experience, I'm honestly more suspicious of outside manipulation than I was before. Some of the behavior is so aggressively self-defeating that I have a hard time believing everyone pushing it genuinely thinks they're helping Lemmy,really a lot of dump unreal patterns.

    I'm not saying I can prove they're Reddit agents. I can't. But nobody can rule it out either. and follow the money - its in their interests to sabotage this place.

    If you wanted to weaken a competitor, you wouldn't need to create the divisions. They're already here. You'd just amplify them, encourage the most anti-growth voices, target prolific contributors, and let the community do the rest for you.

    And after watching this play out firsthand, that possibility seems a lot less crazy to me than it did before.

  • And this is why I don't buy the argument that the people still here represent what users want.

    Look at the numbers.

    Fediverse: ~14 million registered, ~1.17 million MAU. Lemmy: ~756,000 registered, ~35,000 MAU.

    Lemmy has had three quarters of a million accounts created and only about 4.6% of that number is active monthly.

    Obviously that doesn't mean 95% were all regular users who quit. But it does tell us something important: the people currently active are a tiny, self-selected fraction of everyone who has tried this platform.

    So when 30 existing users say "WE don't want more content," you're hearing from the people the current system successfully retained. You're not hearing from the enormous number of people who tried Lemmy and aren't here anymore.

    Maybe instead of assuming the remaining users have figured out what Lemmy should be, we should be asking why so many people tried it and didn't stick around.

  • I said Lemmy's structure makes that kind of manipulation incredibly easy, and asking whether a $20+ billion competitor might have an interest in influencing its alternatives isn't exactly a wild concept.

    You can disagree with the hypothesis. But "check your shoes" isn't actually an argument against it.

    follow the money. if lemmy takes away users its taking away money.

  • You're doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing: taking your own preference and declaring that it's what "people" want.

    You say people don't care about the medium, they just want to connect. Great. Then why are Reddit, Facebook, TikTok, Discord, forums, and the Fediverse radically different products with different communities and usage patterns? The medium obviously affects how people connect.

    And yes, I specifically want a Reddit-style link aggregation and discussion platform without Reddit controlling it. I'm clearly not alone, because that's basically the niche Lemmy itself occupies. Otherwise, why build communities, posts, comments, voting, ranking, and subscriptions in this format at all?

    The funny thing is I actually agree with your last paragraph.

    Removing the corporate overlord doesn't automatically remove arbitrary power. It distributes that power among hundreds of independent admins and moderators. That's precisely what my post is criticizing.

    Federation solves centralized control, but it introduces a different problem: fragmented moderation where multiple independent people can exercise power over the same user's participation.

    That's not an argument for going back to Reddit. It's an argument for recognizing the weakness in the federated model and figuring out how to make it better.

  • i think it's logical to run your own instance

    basically forced to do this. this is unfortunately something I might not have time to do. and because of that I might just abandon entire thing as im sure many people trying lemmy before

  • I understand why federation requires moderation. My argument is about what that structure does to someone who posts frequently - it pushes us out entirely and its more barrier then reddit ever had.

    A public modlog provides accountability for moderators. That's good. But it also creates a permanent moderation history for users with no real appeals process. A questionable ban can become evidence for the next moderator. Both things can be true at once.

    As for the AI-agent comparison, that's not what's happening here. I built tooling to automate something I was already doing manually. It filters by age, popularity, duplicates, community rules, and other criteria. These are posts I would otherwise find, evaluate, and submit myself. Automation removes the repetitive labor.

    And I don't think people "would rather have less content than no content." Some vocal existing users clearly do want less (and I personally think those are unininformed people or faceobook/reddit/twitter operation). That's different from demonstrating that the broader potential user base wants that.

    With Lemmy sitting at roughly 35k MAU and countless communities barely active, I don't think the status quo has earned the assumption that it represents what everyone else wants.

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