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  • god i hope not. let them just have reddit.

  • holy shit nobody cares. stop being caught off guard by low effort outrage sideshows. next one drops in 12 hours or so, can we grow up enough to handle it?

  • what a strange thing to do

  • they piled downvotes on him because they knew he was right. because this is exactly how the DNC has been operating and we literally saw it happen.

    stop ride-or-dieing for 🏳️‍🌈soft fascism🏳️‍🌈 they'll drop your progressive movements the second that they have power to actually change or protect anyone

  • weak pissbaby antics from an unregistered sex offender.

  • I thought these these were self-exploding.

    and wait isn't the point of a Toyota technical that it can be made for $3.50 and runs on fossil fuels?

  • ooh yeah that does sound like dumb fake concern. the relationship we have with bees is ideally pretty mutually beneficial and outside of the framework of an idea like theft. Christianity does seem like a good analoge for it. like there's people who obviously don't get the ethics of it beyond a aesthetic performance.

    somebody else in the comments just told me that in industrial honey farms will do things like clip the wings of queens to prevent them from moving colonies away so I can understand the concern there though. or that domestic bee colonies disrupt local wild ones which is also valid.

    I'm of the same mindset as you then. something I realized a while back is there are humane ways of doing agriculture but the demands of capitalism have forced us to take the exploitation of animals and workers to insane body horror places. I don't think I can live animal product free but I absolutely respect people who do and I'm definitely invested in changing our economy into one that doesn't require infinite growth at the cost of all this suffering.

  • oh daaammn. okay that's what I was curious about. seems like every agriculture trade gets taken to fucked up places in order to meet the demands of industry. thanks for providing the link.

  • i like to give people the benefit of the doubt. sure there's a specific kind of environmentally concerned person who will create ineffectual solutions to non-problems because they either don't actually know about the animal or they are just gritting but I try to hear it from the horse's mouth before I assume it's entirely unhelpful

    all I have to go on are the local beekeepers I've met and they're a far different operation from what I imagine wholesale honey industry looks like. it could be as wide of a gap between the ethics of sustenance livestock vs industrial but I don't know

  • yessss horseman of plague wins again baybeee. can't stop the cough

  • hmm, yeah guess they can't ever try frozen smoothies if they discontinue first.

  • that would make sense. I'm unsure of whether it's helpful, but I forgot that goal of veganism could extend to domestic bees as well. are there any vegans who can clue me in on the thought process regarding bees?

  • how did they beat v8 or snapple to this idea? I thought they were making drinkable vegetable sludge a long time ago

  • love how some people's plan for surviving ecological collapse is just to craft products (that they assume are) without the endangered ecology. like, good job the assignment was to save the damn bees but yeah I'm sure all the plants will be able to survive if we smear them with synthetic honey.

  • really gotta stop leaving it to to perps to hold themselves accountable for serious crimes

  • correct. so fucking correct, I want to hold what you just said up on the mountain top like simba