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mfed1122

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  • Anthropic/OpenAI may be spending more than $1000 for every $100 you pay them

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  • I mean, this is no different than Walmart making prices low until other businesses die out and then raising them.

    It is no different than police shoving all the homeless people and drug addicts into one area of town to crash the property prices, and then evicting them once developers buy everything for cheap.

    They're purposely operating at a loss in the expectation that they can get ingrained into a ton of workflows, and then gouge everyone absolutely to death while also worsening the quality of the service to make it cheaper for them to run.

    If it weren't so horrible for the environment, I'd kind of like it, because all the dumbass executives that are signing up for this are going to get exactly what they deserve. You'd think they'd recognize a scheme when they see one.

  • She won an exemption from using AI at her tech job. The Pope's remarks could fuel similar appeals.

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  • Oh yea I mean I was joking, the whole idea of the basilisk is comically stupid to me. Mostly because of the absolute impossibility of constructing one. If we take for granted that such a thing could exist, then it makes a lot more sense to be afraid of. But I see no way for that to happen. I don't see how the categorical imperative relates though - would be interested in hearing some explanation on your thinking there.

  • She won an exemption from using AI at her tech job. The Pope's remarks could fuel similar appeals.

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  • Well we have to try to lie to ourselves to convince ourselves we don't believe in it otherwise there's no escape

  • Women in Brussels 'filmed without their knowledge' by men wearing Meta smart glasses

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  • Most people are so stupid and just do whatever they're told to the extent that if meta releases these glasses and tells you that they're cool, then people will be like, wow, these glasses are cool. Rayban just wants in on it. It makes a lot of sense unfortunately.

  • Women in Brussels 'filmed without their knowledge' by men wearing Meta smart glasses

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  • If you actually looked at the link that they gave you, it's pretty obvious that the person has a lot of programming experience. I would say less than 2% of the developers I've ever met have an app on the app store so for a lot of them it would be their first app if they published one too.

  • Bernie Sanders proposes bill to give the public a 50% stake in AI companies

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  • I mean however unlikely this law is to pass it would be outright impossible if the idea was to take 50% of AI profits and then somehow mail checks to every person on earth, even outside of the country doing the profit distribution

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  • Earnest question: do fresh news stories belong in a TIL community? It seems like a clearly overly literal interpretation of the name and goes against not only the spirit of the community but the general good practice of keeping communities from becoming generalized dumping grounds for any kind of post.

  • Stop telling me AI is the future [Still Vreni]

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  • I don't like the comic either, but the pictures all being together in the comic is because they're supposed to be the same kind of problem, not because they're supposed to be at the same level of badness.

  • Stop telling me AI is the future [Still Vreni]

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  • Maybe I can restate my point more succinctly and spare you a pedantic lecture while still having a useful conversation.

    1. In the other panels, the act depicted (smoking indoors) is fully identical with the act discussed (smoking indoors).
    2. In the AI panel, the act depicted (pollution) is not fully identical with the act discussed (AI). It is closely related, but not identical.
    3. The comic therefore undeniably conflates two separate (but indeed closely related) things. This alone is a mistake in the artist's thinking.
    4. In your counter-argument with smoking, you make the same sort of mistake. The comic discusses smoking indoors, and then you discuss cigarettes. Cigarettes and smoking indoors are related, but not identical things.
    5. We cannot go back from cigarettes, as you agreed. But we can go back from smoking indoors. Similarly: We cannot go back from AI, but we can go back from polluting to produce it.
    6. Because the comic conflates the cessation of pollution to produce AI, which is possible, with the ability to go back from AI, which is not possible, the comic mistakenly implies that it is not possible to stop polluting, contrary to its own purpose, hence why I say the artist is confused and makes a flawed case.

    I would love it if you could specify what sentiment exactly it is that damages hope for our cause, and what exactly our cause is. My post, in my opinion, expresses a positive sentiment that would increase hope that there can be a future where there's not pollution for the sake of AI. The comic is what damages hope, according to my reasoning above - Although I would never assume the comic was made in bad faith.

  • Stop telling me AI is the future [Still Vreni]

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  • As others have pointed out, AI is a technology. It is an understanding of a certain way to program a computer. It's not a behavior, but rather it's a piece of information. That makes it different from the other three things, which are behaviors more than being technologies.

    The reason why this matters and isn't just some pointless nitpick is because the comic is conflating the sentiment of not being able to go back from AI with having a bunch of pollution and gigantic data centers. In the other images, for instance, they depict smoking indoors, and say smoking indoors is already here. what they depict and what they say is already here and can't be gone back from are one in the same thing. But data centers and pollution are not the same thing as AI because AI is a technology, not a behavior. It would be fully possible to develop the same AI models without expanding the data centers or polluting any more than we already did. In fact, it would even have been possible to train AI models with sustainably sized data centers and recoverable amounts of normal pollution. It would just take longer. but the comic draws a false equivalence between the technology and the way that the technology is currently being implemented.

    It's wrong because there really is no going back from AI. We've never, ever, ever, ever gone back from a piece of technology. It's always known how to create it. And regulations to stop it don't really work, as we've seen with nuclear weapons. Because once knowledge of how to do something is out there, it's pretty hard to stop people from, at the very least, knowing how to do it. And AI models can even be trained on a local computer, though obviously not very powerful ones

    But just because there's no going back from AI doesn't mean that we can't build a better world where there's not irresponsibly gigantic data centers creating irreparable pollution, and all these other problems that we see with AI today. In the same way that just because there's truly no going back from nuclear weapons doesn't mean that we need to constantly be living in a cold war situation. We can indeed build better behaviors that regulate that technology.

    But conflating the two is a serious mistake because it leads people to think that the only way to fix one problem is to get rid of the other and that's going to produce a lot of pointless hopelessness and confusion because it's just not true.

  • Stop telling me AI is the future [Still Vreni]

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  • That was not the issue I took with it actually

  • Stop telling me AI is the future [Still Vreni]

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  • Yeah, for most people the only gate something needs to pass is whether it expresses a view they agree with. It's certainly a minority that imposes additional constraints. I don't know to what extent this is educational, cultural, vs. just human.

  • Have you ever met an actual dumb person?

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  • Don't get me wrong, there are lots of bubbles that I want no part of. But it would be nice if I felt like I knew some people who were dramatically smarter than myself. I've been able to help other people with problems. And they thank me and tell me how nice it is to be able to go to me and get help. But honestly, I don't have many people like that myself. I guess even if I did, then all that would happen is they would just solve my problems... And then I would be up at their level and have whatever their level of problems are. 🧐 I'm talking purely about intelligence here, not like "social level" (ew), to be clear

  • Stop telling me AI is the future [Still Vreni]

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  • Look, I get pissed off at AI and the AI industry every day. I definitely don't hate it as much as some people, but I'm not a fan either.

    That said, it seems like there's not many comic artists out there who are able to actually articulate a coherent and rational criticism of AI. 90% of anti-AI comics end up being weak, strawman, or just generally sort of confused and vague. It's shocking to me because it seems like the problems and ways to criticize it are so plain. But comics like this and many others show how silly, reactionary, and unthinking a lot of these complaints are. There can be such thing as overreacting to a bad thing, there can be such thing as being confused about what's bad about a bad thing, etc. And in the case of this comic we have confusion about the nature of the problem and about its solution.

    Ngl, it really irritates me seeing these artists think they've served up epic poignant AI ownage when they've really just demonstrated their own poor thinking ability.

  • Have you ever met an actual dumb person?

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  • No, I've only heard about them, usually at least three degrees of separation from me. There are levels of stupidity out there that are truly alien to me. I had the same realization you did.... What I thought a stupid person looked like was not nearly as stupid as they can get. The fact that I usually need to go about three hops from myself to find them really goes to show how socially stratified they become. It's very unfortunate because it seems to imply that people don't really get exposure to people that are very much smarter than them, and the same goes for me.

  • Motorola phones are hijacking your Amazon app [Video]

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  • You were the chosen one!

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    Amazon staff use AI tool for unnecessary tasks to inflate usage scores

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  • Yeah. Market downturn is always when they take the opportunity to make things worse. Resisting the fucking is a big part of what creates a better job market. But I totally understand not everyone is in a position to risk it

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  • I get why people do this, I feel the pressure mounting at my job too. At some point we gotta draw a line. We're gonna collectively manifest AI into being a fact of life, just like they want us to. Purposely using AI for dumb junk isn't rebellious, its exactly what the AI creators want you to do. They want us all to have one big mass hallucination that this shit is as necessary as they say it is.

    Again, purposely using your job's AI for wasteful purposes is NOT rebellious, but in fact purposely plays into a worse future as planned. If you can afford to quit on principle, and your job is forcing AI usage metrics, thats probably a good time to quit on principle.

  • Study finds GPT and Grok more likely to favour sponsored answers over users’ best interests

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  • Oh yeah this is a very nice way to get it across. I know a couple smart people who are always saying shit like "people can't be that stupid" and I tell them they don't understand how smart they are. Homie thinks he's 20% smarter than like 65% of people, its probably more like 200% smarter than 80% of people

  • AI data centers face increasing complaints about inaudible but 'felt' infrasound — citizens complain high- and low-frequency sounds do not register on decibel meters but cause adverse health effects

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  • I'm sure they do. Probably using an AI model to calculate it tbh