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There is indeed a skill in constructing models as well as using them but ignoring all of that there's still the artistic touch in creating thought provoking or impassioned concepts irrespective of the tangible form they've been given.
We weren’t talking about constructing models. And where’s the skill in “using” them in this context, when the user is eventually given the exact end product they asked for, and it is as original as rehashing the training set can be?
Everything has its pros and cons, for example nuclear gave us access to functionally limitless much cleaner energy as well as more powerful weapons
I see that you went with the nuclear example, because all of the others seem straight up indefensible in comparison.
Problem is, I wasn’t talking about nuclear energy. Even if I did, development of nuclear energy didn’t require creating nuclear weapons at all. Yet they did, and it’s a great example of how technological achievements aren’t always a good thing.
Your analogy doesn’t work. Anyone could take a photograph, just like anyone could paint something, but making it art, eliciting a human reaction, requires skill.
And by the way, not every moment in history when a technological breakthrough threatened a well established craft, can or should be compared to the current state of AI, if anything because it paints a picture where anyone opposing change is some sort of luddite. “Change” is not always a good thing, and there are more than a handful of inconvenient examples: atomic vs conventional weapons, cigarettes vs herbal treatments for anxiety, leaded vs unleaded gasoline for increased engine performance, glass and paper vs plastic in food containers, etc. For each one, incessant marketing campaigns were launched, touting their advantages and how they would improve the world as we knew it. World Expos were organized around these things. People were legitimately excited.
The truth wasn’t quite that. The US found itself in a tight spot when they lost the monopoly on nuclear weapons, which triggered a histeria across the country that lasted for decades, and even nowadays, “nuclear deterrence” conditions geopolitics to the maximum degree. Cigarettes, turned out, weren’t as good to calm nerves as they were killing people. Leaded gasoline, which was the answer given by refineries to the question “what if we stop improving refining processes and start adding literal poison as an additive”. And microplastics are the latest in all the ways humans have found to screw the food chain.
Weird that you responded twice to my comments, but alright.
I don't care about most people, I thought facebook sucked, Twitter even more so
We weren’t talking about you personally, because you yourself cannot make up a statistically significant share of the market. Social media was what it was and is what it is, regardless of if you used it or what you thought about it. AI is the same, and I don’t care if now it is useful to you, I care that, given so many terrible examples of technologies taken to mainstream and creating all sorts of problems, people still are naive enough to think that AI is not going to fuck us over ten fold.
In my house, we don’t shame anyone for being neurodivergent.
My .md files have a prompt to keep things honest, so either way, you would have gotten the same result.
there are jobs I would have turned down before that would have taken thousands of hours but thanks to AI I only spent 10's of hours on them
Weird take. You would have turned down a job because it takes “too long”? The whole point of wages is to get money for your time.
Also, highly doubt something that would take you a “thousand hours” now can be done with AI in tens. Something useful, I mean.
Social media on the other hand is a plague of garbage and I wish facebook and twitter would be deleted off the net
You clearly weren’t around when it all started. Social media was peddled as a legitimately useful thing. People organized around Facebook groups, and stopped paying telecommunication companies for SMS usage because of WhatsApp. LinkedIn became the dominant player in white collar job seeking. In Asia, super apps like Line or Kakao or WeChat became so popular, they became the mainstream way of finding, contacting and paying businesses for services. Twitter was the place for legitimate reporters to post short form content.
It all went downhill afterwards. Most people thought, at the beginning, that social media would revolutionize the world as we knew it. They just didn’t know it wouldn’t be in a good way.
Sorry about that. Let’s call it “another technology specifically designed by large corporations to be extractive and destructive”.
It’s always funny to see comments like this, dismissing AI critics by calling them “doomers”, while society as a whole is still dealing with the consequences of the last widespread tech fad: social networks.
I was with you with the whole tooling thing until
RAD and "low code" tools, etc
These have always been terrible.
Anyway, my point here was, obviously, that producing larger and larger volumes of code faster, isn’t something desirable, and it has never been. You took this out of context, with the added injury of commenting on the follow up sentence… but I’m glad you did, because it clarified your position a lot.
Because you said that you would instruct a LLM to refactor code because you didn’t feel like doing it. The irony here is three fold:
- You would leave a poorly written and unnecessary larger piece of code in your code base, which would increase development time as reviews would take longer, which was precisely the reason why you would want a human in the software engineering loop in the first place.
- You claim that the LLM would refactor the code for you, but LLMs, in general, are designed with the implied requirement of maximizing token usage.
- Later in your comment, you said that you don’t care about losing skills that “aren’t needed anymore”, but I wonder, isn’t this the kind of skill, i.e. refactoring inefficiently written code, that you would want a senior developer to maintain? Even more, in the long term, how would you guarantee that you could tell a good refactor from a bad one?
In short, I think you are wrong, but I don’t think you would know why until it bites you.
And further proof of it is this.
Even memory allocation is something you don't need to care about unless you're writing in C still.
This is why we get shitty software, Java apps that blow up once a week and websites that freeze your browser. Because “memory allocation is something you don’t need to care about”.
I guess it won’t make any difference if you replace your skills with a LLM, since it sure sounds like you didn’t have that many to begin with.
I don’t think you understood my point.
Writing code faster was never something anyone with any real knowledge of their domain would think is desirable. I don’t care if more code is written faster, because that has never been a good indicator of productivity. In fact, I would argue that less code is better.
Anyway, it’s funny that you mention, in a somewhat patronising tone by the way, that we need to adapt and not be wary of AI because we have “other skills”.
If you want to keep a human in the loop, then fine. Now you have a choke point in your otherwise faster machine. A human who now needs to understand code they haven’t written, and with more and more datapoints coming up suggesting that LLM usage leads to skill atrophy, an eventually more fallible human at that.
An experienced programmer who could actually review the code produced by a LLM, won’t be able to do so at the speed the LLM writes it.
What’s your solution to avoid slop in this scenario?
I see. Since we’re involving the government here, how about they take these children from their parents, then? After all, what you describe is a spectacular parenting failure: they give their kids the tools to access porn sites and leave them unchecked.
You meant “the number of new projects that will soon be abandoned”.
That's not how any of this works, he's crazy.
MF thinks GitHub has “like and subscribe”.
Wholeheartedly agree with OP.
When people think of telemetry, they think of Microsoft, or Google, or Apple. But pretty much every single player in software out there uses telemetry one way or another, and they don’t use it for ad tracking because there are already better and more specialised tools for that.
Bug reports coming from non technical people are worthless. Sometimes, they might trigger some further investigation, and that’s it, because they don’t have enough detail to be useful. Telemetry is the only realistic way of debugging these issues.
How do you know?
I cannot think of a single bug report coming from a non technical person that would be useful to debug an issue. The most they do is get you to know about a potential problem in the system, which most of the time boils down to user error. Telemetry is pretty much the only way to find the root cause, other than a lab reproducing the customer’s environment 1:1, which is both unrealistic and would still require telemetry to be remotely possible.
A bit naive to expect any politician to match one’s own ideology 100% of the time.
When they do, they tend to be populists like Trump: spineless who would promise whatever their followers demand from them. I would be wary of any politician who had never made a blunder.
Anyway, since you wouldn’t compromise, I guess you don’t vote?
makes one mistake
“I don’t want to hear anything he has to say anymore”
Peak Lemmy mentality.
You didn’t address a single one of the points I made. I wrote a philosophical argument about technological adoption not resulting in a net benefit for humanity , historically speaking, and you chose to meander about solution spaces in neural networks and how useful these NNs are in protein folding problems? What?!
This interaction is just… weird. Assuming that you actually read my comments, you don’t seem to be able to synthesize ideas from them and formulate related answers. This last comment of yours is just odd and completely disconnected from the thread as a whole. To be honest with you, it sounds like a bot wrote it.