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quit using google and big tech!
buy local!
let me guess, you're one of the ones that got banned from reddit "for no reason"
i was hoping for a funny response ._.
which store accepts bugs, and what kind of bugs are we talking about?
it's a very easy life when you can just discard every opposing view as a bot
retro handhelds.
u can start with getting an R36S for like 40 bucks + a 20 dollar sd card from a reputable brand, just make sure to consult the handhelds wiki for trusted sellers so you won't get a clone (almost all of the R36S devices sold are clones that have dogshit hardware and often don't work with a custom OS) and know how to install the OS on new card
it can run nes, snes, all the gameboys, sega genesis, even some ps1, psp and pc ported games. you'll have to get roms to play the games though but it's up to you how you're going to go about that
i had one of those bad boys insanely infected and the post-removal (surgery) pain was easily the worst i've ever experienced, and i've had my collarbone split in half from falling off a bicycle
I would not consider that as being poor due to how I interpret what poverty is: you still have money left after you cover for your life expenses.
that's your own definition, not what the actual definition is. and i have money left over because i don't buy new clothes and wear clothes that are multiple sizes too small under a worn hoodie
You live on benefits, thus I imagine you have free time; that is quite a luxury.
ah yes, the luxury of being laying in bed pretty much the entire of my existence because i have basically no energy to get out of bed due to my physical and mental health
You have an apartment where you live alone, where I live that’s quite uncommon even for people who held a decent job for decades.
it's more of a shoebox than an apartment (22.5sqm), living in this small of an apartment is worse than living with at least mediocre roommates. in finland due to how the benefit system works and how the culture is, it's near impossible to find shared flats though if you're not a student so i just have my own tiny apartment
But I mean, we’re not here in a competition as to who is more wrecked
yes, but this isn't an excuse to dismiss peoples' struggles just because you don't personally consider them struggling enough
luckily this is a good life.
speak for yourself, i hate not being able to participate in basically anything because i'm basically bedridden. i hate not having almost any money and having to spend it all because the welfare system wont let me save my money. my life fucking sucks having many mental and physical problems and having to live an undignified life looking like a hobo that does drugs cus i can't work even part-time
And yes, that’s more or less what I’d consider middle class; on the lower end of it.
that's absolutely ridiculous, i literally live below the poverty line
People in the west pollute a lot more, but not because they consume a lot more milk. The reason why they pollute much more is widespread consumerism. Reducing the amount of milk consumption is pretty much ininfluential. Of course, don’t buy milk just to throw it away.
like i said, it's a part of the big picture.
If you want to do that, fine by me: I appreciate the effort. But don’t fool yourself not drinking milk is making any kind of difference; even if that was a practice which became widespread across your whole nation.
like i said, by itself it's not. combined with other things, it is.
I don’t know if you’re American. I had people in America telling me they were very poor because they had to rent a full house and couldn’t buy one and were forced to cook at home a couple times a week because they did not earn enough to go to restaurant every day. I come from Europe and I’m in no way poor, but while they described me their lifestyle I was thinking they lived the same way as a doctor would in my country.
i'm from finland, i live on minimum benefits and rent a tiny 22.5 sqm apartment in the suburbs.
i cook pretty much everything myself, but sometimes buy cheap ready meals if i don't have the energy to cook. i only buy off brand food and from the cheapest grocery store. don't have a car, i walk to the grocery store and take a bus everywhere else. i get fast food and maybe a bar of chocolate or a bag of chips max once a week so i guess there's that, but i wouldn't say that makes me middle class lol. i haven't bought new clothes in like over 1.5 years and wear clothes that don't really fit me so i cover up with a hoodie.
Milk is mostly important in poor countries, since it is a nutritious cheap food.
absolutely, i'm mostly talking about people in the west because we pollute way more than poor countries. we should lead the way. i think it would be hypocritical to tell poor countries to do changes on their already struggling life if we pollute the shit out of the planet. that being said, a lot of poor countries are great for growing soy and those cultures already make tofu and drink soy milk
No data here, but I have the impression that coffee production has a greater impact than milk production.
depends on how much milk you add i guess. i agree though that coffee is definitely a problem, i used to drink a litre of black coffee a day and now i drink 1-2 cups of tea and i might quit that too, since i don't really get any kind of effect from tea, at least i don't really notice it
I barely eat any cheese, but I fail to understand how that matters.
eating cheese and eating plant based dairy replacements is better than eating cheese and a lot of other dairy products
No doubts it’s good. I’m asking how good it is and whether it even matters.
Policy changes matter way more than what individuals can do on their own, even if it was the case that people were to get organized and make such changes on mass.
agreed. lack of policy doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything though, we should do what we reasonably can and try to get better policies. i personally think this needs a completely different political system so it's not easy
Agreed, but rather than criticizing people for not taking trains it would be better to find a way to make it easier for people to take a train. If you have free public transport which takes you from your house to wherever you need to go you’re going to take the train. If the railway is one hour away and the train ride is two hours can you really tell someone not to use their car? I don’t have a car because I don’t need one, but plenty people do.
agreed, that's what i advocate for and is exactly why i said "where it makes sense"
The changes you advise on doing are minor nuisances that rich people in rich countries can afford to make. The effect of such changes is minor. I see the good intentions, but this is hypocritical since those same people are the ones who most pollute.
i'm very poor (at least in western standards) and i've still implemented some changes. i don't see how it's hypocritical though, we are the ones that really should be making changes in our lives and, of course policy. i thought the policy part was something so obvious that i don't have to mention it
it's interesting how non-native speakers almost never confuse those though
we make other kinds of mistakes, personally i really struggle with prepositions in every one of my non-native languages, because my native language doesn't have them, but has a weird suffix system instead
Yes, industrial processes are optimized all the time. Sometimes investment is needed: there are nitrogen production factories which were built later and are more efficient than older ones.
how long will it take to be at plant milk's level of emissions?
Yes and no, you can stop consuming dairy on your own; worldwide reduction is quite a different thing to achieve. Not impossible, but definitely not going to happen right now. Milk production has indeed been increasing steadily throughout the years regardless of the higher share of people who became vegan around the world.
yeah but if people think their impact doesn't matter nothing will change. same goes for voting and stuff, people just have to do it. i think the milk production increase depends on the country, i know here a huge chunk of people have switched to oat barista milk for coffee, and i've heard we're the biggest coffee drinkers in the world.
I like to eat cheese.
if cheese is the only dairy product you eat, it's already great progress. some people might switch out the cheese, some people might switch out the milk, yogurts etc.
Thus I ask, if I make the effort to not eat cheese and to have other people not eat dairy and this leads to no milk production in the next 15-20 years. Does that actually lead to any measurable difference?
yes, reduced dairy consumption is good unless we get the emissions of dairy production in control. if we somehow manage to reduce the emissions, obviously switching back is fine from an environmental perspective at least. though if we switched to plant based alternatives as the whole of humankind, people would probably be reluctant to switch back because the meat and dairy industry is pretty fucked up. that's kind off topic though so it's probably safe to leave it at that
Or maybe I’d better focus on doing other things?
you can focus on whatever you want. i'm just saying that making even small changes in a variety of things really does add up, and it makes sense to at least try to work towards more plant based food. u can start with maybe eating a plant based cold cut on your bread once a week. switch your fresh cheese spread with something plant based (some of these are surprisingly good!), switch to oat barista milk for coffee (me and a huge amount of people prefer the taste over dairy milk). stuff like that
if you combine this with taking the train sometimes where it makes sense, shopping at the thrift store, buying used stuff, it does make an impact. one of those on its own obviously doesn't really change much, but if we all did a bunch of small changes like this, we would be in a better situation. it won't solve the problem, but it would slow it down so we can work on things like your industrial optimization.
Work on improving the efficiency of the Haber-Bosch process used in the production of nitrogen just 1%.
is this realistic? we can reduce dairy consumption right now
That will probably have a stronger impact than removing all milk production and private jets from the planet.
"will", "probably". we can reduce emissions right now by switching to plant based products, no need to wait for alternatives pop up when climate change is much worse
it's a combination of things, reduction of consumption and working on reducing the emissions from production of dairy, since there's some people that will struggle with switching to plant based alternatives due to intolerances, allergies and stuff
most people can reduce or stop consumption of animal based products and there's no real excuse not to at least work on making some improvements
You could argue vegetable milk is also contributing to killing the planet. Doing that is clearly pointless.
well it's killing the planet much less and we need some kind of nutrition to live
Is the pollution produced by the production of milk significant, in such a way that reducing it would lead to measurable changes?
is the pollution produced by private jets significant, in such a way that reducing it would lead to measurable changes?
climate change is due to a combination of a lot of things. we need to tackle a lot of different problems. none of them is killing the planet on their own, but we need to look at the big picture
it's one of the things that's killing the planet
i wouldn't call it sustainable if the end result is an unlivable planet, if nothing is done about the emissions
sustainable means nothing if something that is killing the planet counts as sustainable
unsustainable for the environment, here's the source that you wanted. milk's greenhouse gas emissions are very high compared to plant based alternatives, alongside land use and water consumption.
made what case? do i really have to specifically state that i don't get paid for random comments on an irrelevant platform?
do you actually think governments would hire people to debate on platforms pretty much nobody is using, when they can just deploy a shit ton of llm bots on reddit (which they do btw). like this idea is incredibly stupid.
now that i've addressed what you wanted, respond to my points, please.
why do you think i care about random redditors on an obscure subreddit?
if you weren't banned, you'd be upvoting those comments :D