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  • That’s because you ignore the possibility of a good thing happening, and/ or dramatically overstate the risks of it making somebody’s day worse.

    Let’s start with a silly example. Let’s say you had $1000 in your favorite currency. It was given to you with the purpose of you giving it to somebody else. If you do not give it to them, the money disappears.

    Would you give this money away? What if I told you there was a 1% chance that it would make a persons day worse?

    If you’re not giving the money away, then at least you’re consistent, I’ll give you that.

    If you are, what about $100? What about 10$?

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  • I suppose so.

    And you have no notion about gambling theory or risk reward whatsoever? Am I inferring that correctly?

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  • That’s because you haven’t read them.

    They have to do with the positive outcomes, which you continue to ignore, or treat as inconsequential.

    A small chance of a negative outcome does not generally outweigh a good chance of a positive outcome.

    youre almost insisting on talking

    You insist on mischaracterizing my position. Asking somebody a question ir two is hardly as insisant as you keep making it out to be.

    and that just seems odd

    To you

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  • Would you care to address any of the articles with research and numbers that I claim back me up?

    I see you don’t understand the mindset. I don’t believe you are trying to.

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  • I feel like you’re just reiterating your last comment as though you didn’t read mine.

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  • So if you value the fellow passengers, best move is not to risk it

    There’s a lot of big assumptions built into how you think about risk if the only possible outcomes you can conceive of are negative.

    at least not on the plane

    Oh yes the plane. Because of the implication, right?

    I just feel bad that your outlook is so sad for all of this.

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  • There may be a selfish component to it. Doesn’t make it a selfish act.

    I get that it’s your thing

    It’s my thing after I read a few of these papers (you can find the links, and read them if you like, they’re in my other comments) and started giving it a shot.

    it would be bettee to just chill for the duration of it.

    Yes, you have made it very clear that for you, you believe that this is the case.

    The data show that a lot of people feel this way before they try it, but are pleasantly surprised after.

    After all nothing negative about that, they might try to connect with you if they're up for it

    Nothing negative about what? “Being chill?” I think you’ll find that I’m pretty chill.

    You seem to think I’m nagging them for the duration, but as I’ve explained, it’s really more of creating an opening.

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  • why risk it?

    Because there’s almost no risk involved.

    So why risk it, if you're going to potentially be making the situation suck for the other person, I'm wondering

    Answers to this question, and more, are provided in some of the links provided.

    The chances of making “the situation suck” are exceedingly small. The chances it “goes well” are quite high. A couple friendly words between strangers. A story to tell later.

    Of particular note

    His curiosity led to a series of experimentsrevealing that train and bus commuters who interacted with other passengers experienced a more pleasant ride — even when they believed they would prefer the solitude of, say, reading a book.

    It is fear that the person sitting next to us won't enjoy talking to us that makes us keep to ourselves, Epley found. But when we do talk to each other, those social interactions with strangers tend to be both less awkward and more enjoyable than most people predict.

    You seem to completely discount this possibility, while simultaneously overblowing the risk.

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  • Literally, most people don't want unsolicited interactions where I'm from

    You’ve talked a lot about this with others I take it? Got good data to work with?

    If someone's approaching you to start a conversation out of the blue, they're going to be asking you for booze or cigarettes. Or money. Or they already got their booze and now they're making small talk. And for 50% of the population, the other 50% of the population can be seen as threatening based on gender alone.

    These percentages do make your vibes and intuition much more convincing.

    So it's polite to just shut up and let other people be.

    It’s not impolite, sure.

    You gotta have a reason for talking to people who aren't expecting to be talked to.

    I do have a reason. You just don’t personally like it, except for the other times when you choose it. You’ve convinced yourself that I must want something, so stranger danger bad.

    Not bothering anyone is part of our culture.

    Which culture is this? How is “bothering” defined? You seem to be acting like eye contact and a smile means I’m after your money

    You assume I’m bothering people. I assert that I don’t believe it to be true. My point of view had some evidence, which I have linked throughout these comments. Yours are stated as fact despite clearly just being your vibes.

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  • And I will respectfully point out that you seem to be arguing entirely from vibes and anecdotes.

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  • I like to think of it as giving people an opening.

    Make a comment or two that invites discussion. If it takes, great. Maybe chat for a minute, maybe for a while.

    If not, oh well, better luck next time.

    Wo is interested and who is not is extremely easy to discern, in my opinion. The fact that you clearly think otherwise is not surprising, but I do think it’s easier than you give it credit for.

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  • push ahead

    These two words completely mischaracterize the situation.

    Guessing you haven’t bothered with the links I posted, since you haven’t spoken to them and continue to just try to find ways to pick at some point that I’m not trying to make, but I encourage you to take a few minutes to read them with an open mind.

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  • Sorry. I misread your comment as “people on their phones”.

    Then deleted my incorrect reply. I did this before you replied with this sweet gotcha.

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  • Yes. What is your point?

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  • But you won't know if it will bring them joy or not.

    That’s true. Hard to predict the future.

    I’d say it’s a lot more likely that joy or anxiety are the outlier cases, and just a kind of indifference, with a positive tone, is the baseline.

    But you push ahead, even in situations where people are stuck.

    And now we’re back to bad assumptions and straw men.

    Fine fine, one more link.

    https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fa0037323

    Non-paywall summary: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/07/26/744267015/want-to-feel-happier-today-try-talking-to-a-stranger

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  • It wouldn't cost you anything not to bother others,

    Also doesn’t cost anything to bring some joy, or if not joy, at least novelty, into people’s lives.

    I'm sure your intentions are good but you will be making a lot of people uncomfortable in your attempt to connect with them.

    I think you dramatically overestimate how many people are made uncomfortable due to your own anxieties about it. I also think you’re missing out on little opportunities for joy in your life.

    I can keep posting links, but it’s pretty clear you’re not reading them. (ETA: they might have been in other threads)

    There's better places for that than public transit or a plane.

    There are also plenty of worse ones.

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  • I’m not trying to get into the “how to disengage from a stranger” conversation, but your assessment of people interacting in public seems to be predicated with an assumption that they dont understand people.

    You have made some additional bad assumptions about how you think the interactions I’m proposing should go, and how and when they should stop.

    The good news is that this hostility toward the world that you seem to set on projecting from these comments is usually pretty obvious, so I probably wouldn’t have bothered.

    Just put your headphones on and your hoodie up so you can get back to arguing with strangers on the internet, and continue your transit in misery.