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  • high fat and moderate protein (1.1-1.6g/kg/day) seems to be the best for long term health.

  • Always have been

  • And people eat red meat for personal gain

    That's a weird way of saying health.

  • What is your relevant background in such matters, if I may ask?

    I've been reading the debate with great interest.

  • Right, I got a little carried away with the ‘pure’ angle,

    Fair enough the moment takes us all sometimes.

    but I do recall seeing many abstracts / summaries of studies for quite a few years that found that diets heavy on meat indeed seem to correlate to increased cancer & CVD incidents.

    Not quite - these are FFQs applied to the general populations so protein is really around 15%. There is considerable debate in the literature if these findings are clinically meaningful.

  • At the other end of the spectrum would be a pure carnivore diet, which science studies consistently find to cause increased cardiovascular disease and cancer rates.

    You will find there have been no studies on the pure-carnivore (zero carb) diet wrt cvd or oncogenic effects.

    There have been observational epidemiology on high carb omnivores (75% plant) which people like to extrapolate around and make causal statements such as 'caused increased.... rates' which the data cannot support.

    Food frequency questionaires prove nothing

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  • Was there a big risk of dying of cervical cancer before 30 before the jabs?

  • First of all, main and only principal of weightloss is calorie deficit.

    The CICO model describes what happened, not why it happened. There are more clinically useful models such as the carbohydrate insulin model.

    Lack of carbs (primary source of energy for humans)

    We run on fat when we are born, when we sleep, when we skip a meal. Glucose is metabolized before fat because it causes damage if it lounges around. i.e. Alcohol is burned before glucose but we don't claim we are adapted to alcohol.

    makes weightloss harder because someone on keto would feel less energetic for quite some time due to at least adaptation to said metabolic proccesses.

    1-4 weeks is the typical fat adaptation period, and if people maintain their electrolytes they don't have any lower energy levels.

    In general, forcing organism to get energy from some less efficient and not-quite-as-good metabolic transformation

    Less efficient is a new one to me? What is less efficient to burning fat? We store fat on the body, the entire point of weight loss is to burn fat - we should encourage people to be in a fat burning metabolism if they want to lose weight.

    is something that comes from a belief rather than reason.

    Belief? The data and the models make predictions people can measure themselves in a few weeks, it is very empirical.

    I don’t mean that one can’t lose weight on keto.

    If you know keto works, why do you call it a belief without reason?

    But it does increase discomfort during weightloss which increases the chances of giving up on it.

    I'll agree with you here. Staying on keto means beating carbohydrate addiction. Addiction is strong! However, it is worth the cost of admission - People should be doing keto to get healthy not to lose weight i.e. Don't lose weight to get healthy, get healthy to lose weight.

  • People often fall for keto/carnivore/vegan¹/highreps/highcardio and other unreasonable ways to lose weight

    Why is keto unreasonable?

  • I’ll have to do extra pilates, oh nooo, so bad /s

    But your not eating any protein, so where will the protein come from to repair your body after pilates?

    OMAD is a great tool for weight management (which it sounds like your trying to do), but if your under eating essential building blocks for your body during your eating window your basically just replicating the Minnesota starvation experiment..... which isn't great.

  • I really enjoy having discussions with people, when they clearly use AI to throw papers at me, which they haven't read, which they don't want to discuss, it's such fun.

  • If that's your omad meal, you're setting yourself up for failure. That doesn't have enough fat or protein to satisfy your body, and your metabolism is going to down regulate in response.

  • Why are you doing low kcal? What is your goal?

    If your trying to lose weight you would be much better off, and happier, doing low carb and still eating.

  • Perfect health

  • I wish more people read books! Physical books are such a rich experience.

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