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  • My experience may or may not apply here... In automotive paint refinishing back 15+ years ago, 2 part epoxy primers are special. Most primers are (were) 2k urethane. These are similar to automotive 2k clearcoat in how they work. They both have similar thicknesses, leveling after wet coats, and to a lesser extent - drying properties. With drying properties, the surface levels within a minute or so but it forms a surface film and the back side remains tacky for longer. (Where they differ is that clearcoat takes much longer to fully cure, like weeks to months, while primer is workable within an hour or less.) Epoxy primers are high build fillers. They get hard as a rock and are a pain in the ass to sand down. The two main reasons for using an epoxy are for super rough large surfaces, and this the the relevant bit here, they are used to seal the surface.

    In paint, there are a ton of nightmare situations. Like let's say some brake fluid got on the paint in a crash, or some idiot used rattle can enamel on a car. Often what happens is that the repair I am doing is not the first time the panel has been repaired. While I would like to clean the issue completely and use typical 2k primers, the previous repair may have used epoxy and buried something terrible. I'm not going to strip the whole panel and have to spray additional adjacent panels to color match when I did not estimate this in the cost quote. Epoxy seals out EVERYTHING. With stuff like spray can enamel, the painted surface never cures. It remains reactive to the solvent of anything sprayed on top of it. If ABS trim or bumper covers are exposed to acetone, similar issues with reactions will happen, unless 2 part epoxy primer is used. Epoxy primer is impermeable in the context of automotive paint; it is the nuclear option. Everything else allows some solvents to pass through it over time.

    If you have ever touched the paint of new cars and noticed the softness, that is uncured clearcoat that is still venting solvents in small quantities. This is also why jams painting inside of the seals is kept to a minimum clearcoat thickness. The thicker the clear, the longer it will take to fully cure. As an ex pro painter, that softness tells me a lot about a finish too. It actually starts forming around 5 minutes after the clear is shot, just after the fingerprint test does not pull a string when removed. That is the first moment when I am able to barely graze the surface with fingertips and not damage the surface. It is still very wet underneath at this stage.

    Hopefully that illustrates how even the hardest of painted surfaces is still able to allow stuff to pass through it. If you want to stop that stuff, you need a paint that is made specifically to seal everything.

    That said, the seals and other materials also need to be up for the task. Most of those are likely just dust seals. How you deal with corners is critical. Just look at stuff like Pelican cases.

  • Yeah. Got a kit of it from a thrift store years ago and try to use it in jigs to save printing when possible... 4.3mm bolt holes, 7×2.3mm square nut slots and 12.7mm pitch. I have it and M3 memorized.

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  • It is just a cleanliness standard. It is not required. I spent a decade in the details of automotive paint. I only covered the surface basics for paint. What I call clean for paint is an order of magnitude more dirty than a surgeon, and they are orders of magnitude more dirty than a silicon chip foundry. When it comes to making plastic stick and look pretty, an automotive painter might be helpful for framing the scope of what is possible. All I can tell you is I have a Prusa and never have these problems, so I explained my experience and methodology as to why I do as I said. Again, sorry this upsets you.

  • I have not had problems with glass or PEI. Your other comments indicate you tried ABS. That will never work without an enclosure, and even then, it will not work particularly well on any Cartesian machine. Sorry that illustrative examples and abstractive reasoning are offensive to you.

  • It can coat the inside of the drier. Use Bounty paper towels as a control when in question. Bounty are often used in automotive paint shops for a few reasons, but they are trustworthy for composition. If the two plies are separated, they make a good strain filter. That is the primary reason they are used. They also tend to be lower lint though not perfect. A tack cloth is used in the booth with controlled filtered air flow either across or down draft, so it is not a concern for perfect paint.

    One of the tricks of automotive painting is to add a couple of drops of Palmolive dish soap to the water bucket used with wet sanding. It makes 3M Imperial Wet/Dry sandpaper last several times longer and acts as a mild degreaser the whole time. Any residue is cleaned in the booth stage using a special Wax and Grease Remover solvent that is the least reactive of the painting solvents. While this solvent is used extensively, still the fact that Palmolive dish soap can be used at all indicates how it is clean, consistent, and chemically irrelevant. Automotive paint reacts with many chemicals but specifically silicon is the worst problem. It causes fisheyes aka little divot like holes to form in the clearcoat. In most situations involving contamination and adhesion, silicon is the main issue that will be very persistent. It is so bad in automotive paint that in the worst cases, we turn to adding an actual silicon solution into the 2k clearcoat and trying to guess what concentration will match the problem area to level it. Otherwise, the entire job must be stripped to the raw surface and start over. Silicon issues only show up in the final wet clearcoat layer shortly after it is sprayed and leveled.

    The reason why I have written all of this is to illustrate this point: the silicon is essentially floating on every underlying layer. The solvent has wet the area and the silicon just floats to the top of some filler, 2k primer, sealer, top coat color and when it gets to the clearcoat it blows a hole through it. There are two solutions. Use a two part epoxy primer that is a pain in the ass to sand, or clean the the raw surface with lacquer thinner or virgin acetone. In automotive paint, those two solvents are dangerous for causing a ton of other contamination and reactions issues. However, these are the only solvents that will take off silicon without diluting it and making the problem worse. Alcohol is a joke with no place in the automotive paint world when I was painting. I got out before water based stuff ruined the industry by making refinishing exponentially more expensive. That is only the color coat and some primers, so there may be alcohol used in some way in these, but it will not involve cleaning. Tire shine is the main source of silicon issues in automotive paint.

    I have the empirical experience to know what I am looking at with cleaning and solvents. Alcohol is okay for minor issues, but think of it as constantly diluting and wiping the problem across the whole surface. Eventually, just use some virgin acetone to actually clean the thing properly. Paint is just plastic too. Each type requires a different type of tooth to mechanically bond to. With printing, I use 600 grit to lightly knock the shine off of the print plate surface. I go lighter on the textured sheet, but I only use the textured sheet with PETG because it is the only one that takes the textured pattern completely without showing layer lines. I print weekly on average, and use acetone and sandpaper around once a year. When I use glue stick, I clean the plate with dish soap after. I use alcohol in between. You will need an enclosure for ASA, ABS, and any larger PC prints regardless of the sheet or glue. Two IKEA Lack tables with legs stacked using double sided screws, then a clear shower curtain liner, and some tack nails does the job for under $50.

    I would never use towels from any drier that has ever had fabric softener used in it for automotive paint. That is a contamination nightmare for me.

  • tendentious milieu, or mircomilieu

  • PLA will be better for hardware store and hobby junk. You cannot use automotive class finishes and expect them to last. Generally stick to one brand. Most paints are formulated for steel. ABS is the closest to steel in thermal properties. The expansion is the most important attribute. PLA has a different thermal profile so catalysed 2-part paints will not work very well long term. Rattle can enamel is junk by comparison, but it never fully cures like automotive paints. That property helps it stay in place longer in general. There are special adhesion promoters like bulldog for automotive stuff, but the thermal properties will still be an issue.

    Pro automotive paint is 99.9% sanding and prep work. It is far more intense and rigorous than people realize. Perfection happens in the prep work. The actual paint is just a way of showing off that perfection. Mastering automotive paint is actually all about defeating yourself. Perfection is not subject to your emotions or expectations. It is right when it is perfect.

    You want the highest pressure spray cans as possible. Also, if you do not used all of the can at once, flip it upside down and clear the nozzle by letting the siphon into the empty void and spraying. If you have a compressor that does not shoot out a bunch of oil or water, a cheap Harbor Freight pink gun with the nozzle of the can beside the spray gun will work wonders by atomizing the spray far more effectively.

  • You are solely responsible for vetting the software that you choose to run.

    I do not review or care about the tools a person uses to create their projects. I appreciate the disclaimer when the person discloses their aptitude and confidence in their code.

    Free software and Unix culture is a culture of hackers. Stallman's very degree is in AI. Emacs is mostly a thing because lisp was adapted early on for AI development many decades ago.

    Junk code is nothing new. X11 is notoriously bad, yet you likely have parts of it running on your hardware. Proprietary code is far far worse than anything a hacker posts as open source, yet you are running proprietary blobs on whatever device you are looking at now. Even if you are like myself with a libreboot machine, Leah readily admits that you need to run the core duo microcode if you want it to run right, and are not using that hardware for your primary device. The culture of antiAI is dogmatic nonsense. It is a tool, not a religion. It can be used harmfully or helpfully. I can't fix stupid in anyone except myself. I do not fault anyone for what they run, the projects they share, or the background they come from. I encourage everyone to be positive and help their fellow hackers. I value participation and enthusiasm. Dogma and negativity are toxic.

    I am ultra liberal. You have a right to all information, a right to skepticism, a right to error, and a right to protest in non violent forms aka the right to offend others. You do not have a right to infringe the rights of others.

    This anti AI populism infringes the rights to all information and right to error if any administrative actions are taken. Your right to protest and skepticism is duly noted. If these become toxic in any ways that alter the dissemination of information, or toxic/harmful to the individual sharing information, I will remove the offending comments. If the person continues, I will escalate. I am only the janitor here. I clean up the messes. I do not matter, but neither does anyone else here. It is a community, and only the community matters. Garbage software is bog standard. Crusade against things that matter like proprietary software leveraged hardware theft and SaaS.

  • Thanks for sharing.

  • It is the tiny URL link that has a unique identifier. The normal website links are just the regular website address root for redditcom. Tiny URL links stand out more to me because I use a DNS whitelist firewall and will never approve any of these forwarding connections.

  • Why the reddit tracking link?

  • Sometimes I want words with special letters or without others. Or I may want to try various combinations of words.

  • Do any artists make substantive revenue from physical media? I am under the impression that the only meaningful revenue available to artists is from live performances. I get the impression that physical media is either someone else buying publishing rights from the artist, or basically someone selling the illusion of support. I could be wrong, but I see the whole thing as audio art ads for exposure/influence, that drives the live performance revenue source.

  • Billionaires. Governments are small pawns.

  • Thought he bubba babyin Bill?

  • K&R?

  • Luvs for miss awesome!

  • Graduated pacman emerges... and we all know emerge is Gentoo. This one doesn't compile.

  • It helps to have modern elastics to make a riffle like spear gun. When under water, big fish are easy game. You'll see them easily in the ocean and reasonably well in large rivers and lakes too. With rivers and lakes you can just noodle with large catfish. If you reach into holes and cervices, catfish will bite your hand. It is more like sucking. You just pull them up, no tackle or equipment needed.

    Without modern elastics, any bow or torsion based energy storage system would work to make a crossbow like action. I could easily flake a rock to make a crude knife, and fashion something out of some sticks.

    I would probably struggle most with my chemistry using organics I find in nature. I know stuff like the best bows are recurved with composite wood. Ultimately, I am loosely aware of the innovations of Watts with the pressure regulation of a steam engine. I know how to make bloom iron. And I know the basics of indirect heating and atmospheric control of the Bessemer process. Additionally, I am aware that the key to lathe precision is a heavy base, and that a lathe screw lead is able to cut a more accurate lathe screw lead, and eventually achieve any machine precision desired. Prussian blue or any dye based pigment, is used with a special thick chisel to hand scrape metal flat. Magnetite is the primary ore for iron. Steel is all about precision control over the carbon content. Heating calcium carbonate is super handy. Boxite requires chemistry to get to the aluminum. High voltage arcs across electrodes in air will make nitric acid, but guano is the most accessible form of nitrates at smaller scales. Potatoes are the most important food source to scavenge.

    A general deep curiosity and willingness to explore are the key personality traits. I love learning at a fundamental level where I actually understand stuff. I am not all that bright, just a jack of all trades type person where I have a very broad set of skills and understanding of the world. I'm a swiss army knife – all the tools, but the world's shittiest scissors.

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    Playing with some ugly old TPU

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    How to Mechatronics – RC Tank build w/2spd gearbox & printed tread (38:19)

  • Ask Lemmy @lemmy.world

    In a more complex future world where media is tailored to you, how are you entertained differently?

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    unavoidable incoming

  • Ask Lemmy @lemmy.world

    What is the better github alt for a free community resource?

  • 3DPrinting @lemmy.world

    Adaptor for vertically mounting a Park Tool PCS-10 portable bike stand head

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    Westloki – 3D printed bicycle belt drive conversion (solid continuous loop belt on an unbroken bike frame)

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    Chris Borge – They printed a better lathe (using concrete in a 3d printed shell rev 2)

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    CNC Kitchen – What is the best way to dry your desiccant? (microwave)

  • Ask Lemmy @lemmy.world

    How do you perceive pain meds and treatments internally on the deepest levels of your psychology?

  • Ask Lemmy @lemmy.world

    Do you have any upcycled uses for gel ice packs that you actually find useful?

  • Ask Lemmy @lemmy.world

    What are the forces of nature that lead from proteins to complex life?

  • Technology @lemmy.world

    News on Naomi Wu ('s) – New Product Nukit – 222nm UV sterilizer – cutting edge, safe for active use with humans present tech – Big Clive YT 🌈

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    How do you view your role in public ethics as a developer?

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    Upside down structural design with funicular curves

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    Is there a Ben Eater's Bread Board Computer/6502 type of content creator for home networks?

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    Do you often write scripts to parse a codebase and get familiar with it?

  • cats @lemmy.world

    Cone head

  • Programming @programming.dev

    When, where, and how did you learn project complexity management and do you have perfect recall or an average human byte?

  • Programming @programming.dev

    What is the deal with API documentation that can seem so terse to a hobbyist?