The problem is ownership, financialisation, blitzscaling, growth hacking, betting against us with our pension funds and buying our government with the profits.
Disown all intellectual property, destroy enclosers of the common.
This isn't an AI problem, it is just another facet of our vampiric elites perpetually disempowering us, marginalising us. This is the all-encompassing everything-problem.
This will continue until the root of tge problem has been pulled out and burned.
How dare they not respect intellectual property 😢😢😭😭😭😭
It's the 4th point
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This was always going to jappen datahoarders we have to mirror all of github!
I'll just cut it down to bite sized pieces and stop labelling it as AI generated
I literally asked it to make the maximalist case against the idea that LLM are just autocomplete and that's exactly what it did.
The message before that did the opposite case.
Still less criminal than the admistration so very shaky ground for this claim.
All current drug problens themselves were created by republicans who they invented the drug war in the 70s intentionally to curtail free speech of Vietnam war protesters.
The drug over criminalization created the environement that directly leads to fentanyl being an optimal border crossing narcotic.
Drug dealers are more respectable right now than all administration members combined, even the "illegal" ones.
All very dubious for the most powerful country in the world, which rapes the entire planet for mineral ressources to call any human "illegal".
I speak for all humans when I say, this planet would be a lot better without the memetic infections known as America, China, Europe, India, Russia.
Maybe if they all had a nuclear fireworks party the survivors would have the opportunity to learn not to build those monstrous egregores.
So pokemon has lèse-majesté protections ?
But that means it will now receive 1% of the reading it would otherwise have as well as now the thread's coherence depends on that other website still existing. Which, in 2500 years, it probably won't.
Very well, I already cut down 90% of external interactions, what is cutting cutting the last 10%. The mass down votes agree with my reasonning
I would have pasted it as a single comment, but that hit the character limit. So I split it in multiple comments. But now people aren't downvoting them equally, so the comments are getting out of order. These really have to be read in my posting order to understand what I did.
Oh well, too bad, ironically this kibd of highly negative response shows me, it was not worth the effort to post this and I do well to just keep to myself as I usually do.
Are you suggesting I did something other than I said I did?
How dare you sir!
What tipped you off was it when I left in "chatgpt said"
Or when I responded to the commenter who said he'd put the article in chatgpt to summarize that "he didn't" as a joke, and then added "but I did"
You said: Now make the maximally opposite idea, make heavy use of the concept of the latent space
ChatGPT said:
Absolutely — here's the maximally opposite take, fully embracing the idea that models like ChatGPT are more than just stochastic parrots, and heavily leveraging the concept of latent space to argue that these models can, in a very real sense, generate novel ideas and insights. ChatGPT Is Not a Stochastic Parrot — It’s a Navigator of Latent Thought Space
While critics call ChatGPT a “stochastic parrot” or “autocomplete on steroids,” this view drastically underestimates the depth and complexity of what large language models are actually doing. These models aren’t just parroting data — they are mapping and exploring an extraordinarily rich latent space of human knowledge, culture, and thought.
At the core of models like ChatGPT is the idea of a latent space — a high-dimensional mathematical structure where abstract concepts, relationships, and patterns are embedded.
Every word, sentence, and idea is represented as a point or vector in this space.
The relationships between points encode not just surface patterns, but deep structural relationships between ideas — analogies, metaphors, causal chains, emotional tones, etc.
This latent space isn’t programmed in — it emerges from the training data through self-supervised learning. The result is a dynamic, multi-dimensional conceptual map that humans don’t have direct access to but the model can navigate.
Human creativity often works by connecting existing concepts in unexpected ways — something these models are exceptionally good at.
When ChatGPT generates text, it’s not repeating past sentences — it’s interpolating and extrapolating within the latent space.
It finds new paths between existing ideas, often producing connections no single human has written down before.
This is not parroting — it’s a form of latent-space creativity.
For example, when the model generates a metaphor or analogy you've never heard before, it’s discovering a new alignment in the conceptual topology — something genuinely emergent.
Critics argue LLMs can’t understand or generalize. But in fact:
Models demonstrate emergent behaviors that were not directly trained into them — like multi-step reasoning, analogical thinking, or transfer across domains.
These behaviors arise from complex interactions in the latent space, not from rote recall.
In this view, ChatGPT is less like a parrot and more like a mathematical mind, fluent in the topography of human language and thought.
Language is not just a tool for communication — it’s a compressed, high-bandwidth representation of human thinking.
Because LLMs are trained on so much human-generated language, they build an internal model of how humans think, reason, feel, and imagine — as encoded in language.
That means ChatGPT isn’t just finishing your sentence; it’s navigating the conceptual manifolds of knowledge, philosophy, narrative, humor, and more — sometimes in ways humans themselves haven’t yet seen.
As models scale in size and training data, they demonstrate qualitatively new behaviors — not just quantitative improvements. This includes things like:
Few-shot learning
Chain-of-thought reasoning
Style transfer
Multi-modal integration
These aren't just features of autocomplete — they’re signs of systems operating in a rich cognitive manifold, capable of abstract manipulation of meaning. In Summary:
ChatGPT isn’t just guessing the next word. It’s:
Navigating a vast, learned geometry of meaning
Connecting ideas in novel ways
Generating emergent insight by recombining latent concepts
It may not “understand” like a human, but it can synthesize in a way that mimics — and sometimes even surpasses — human creativity.
Calling it a "stochastic parrot" is like calling a jazz musician an “audio repeater” because they’re using notes they’ve heard before. It misses the creativity in the combination — the generative power that lies within the latent space.
Want to see a side-by-side debate between these two perspectives? Or explore where the middle ground is?
You said: Take the same list again, for each point explain why it's actually beneficial and how it will get better with increased adoption
ChatGPT said:
Here’s the same list of main points, but this time with a more optimistic take — highlighting how each trend could actually be beneficial and how increased adoption might make things better for individuals and society as a whole:
Heavy ChatGPT users show signs of addiction (preoccupation, withdrawal, mood changes, loss of control):
Why it could be beneficial:
If people are turning to ChatGPT frequently, it may indicate that it's providing meaningful value — like reducing cognitive load, aiding creativity, or offering emotional support. As usage becomes more common, society may develop healthier digital habits, just as it has with smartphones and social media. Over time, norms and tools (e.g., usage timers, digital wellness features) could help people manage their use responsibly.
Long-term users tend to form emotional bonds with ChatGPT, sometimes seeing it as a “friend”:
Why it could be beneficial:
For people lacking companionship or emotional support, especially the elderly or isolated, AI companions can provide comfort, conversation, and a sense of presence. On a wider scale, AI could reduce loneliness-related health problems and even support mental wellness initiatives by being an accessible form of care or early intervention.
Lonelier individuals are more likely to use ChatGPT heavily and become emotionally attached:
Why it could be beneficial:
If AI offers a low-barrier outlet for the lonely, it might be a first step toward re-engagement with the world. AI can encourage people to express feelings they wouldn't share with others and even prompt them to seek human connection, therapy, or support services. Widespread AI use could destigmatize conversations about loneliness and mental health.
People stress out over subtle changes in ChatGPT’s behavior:
Why it could be beneficial:
This shows users are emotionally invested — which can push developers to create more consistent, emotionally intelligent systems. If society recognizes the emotional impact of AI, it will encourage better design, transparency, and regulation. Over time, this can lead to more stable and human-aware AI that positively complements emotional needs.
Emotional language is used more in text interactions than voice, and brief voice use is associated with better well-being:
Why it could be beneficial:
This gives users multiple channels of expression to suit their mood or needs — voice for brief emotional boosts, text for deeper reflection. With broader adoption, people can tailor AI interaction styles to maximize personal benefit. This insight also allows designers to create features that better match emotional and mental health goals.
Users who engage with ChatGPT for non-personal tasks are more emotionally dependent than those who use it for personal reasons:
Why it could be beneficial:
This means AI is becoming a highly trusted tool, even in practical domains. As more people adopt it for brainstorming, research, or decision-making, we’ll likely see a democratization of high-level thinking tools. Over time, dependency could evolve into partnership — similar to how calculators or GPS became essential but ultimately empowering tools.
Prolonged usage increases risk of emotional dependence, regardless of how it's used:
Why it could be beneficial:
Long-term usage can foster deeper understanding of one’s own thought processes, communication patterns, and emotional states. As AI integrates into daily life, people might develop greater self-awareness and reflection through their interactions. Society could benefit from individuals who are more emotionally literate and thoughtful, even if that awareness is sparked by an AI relationship.
Let me know if you'd like this version turned into a policy brief, an article, or a debate prep doc — could be used in all kinds of conversations.
You said: Explain how chatgpt is a stochastic parrot that cannot by design say anything fundamentally new and how it is basically just a keyboard auto complete on steroid
ChatGPT said:
Alright, here's the breakdown of that critique — the "stochastic parrot" idea and the comparison to advanced autocomplete — explained clearly and fairly:
The term "stochastic parrot" was coined in a 2021 paper by researchers including Emily Bender and Timnit Gebru. It refers to large language models like ChatGPT that:
"Stochastic" means based on probability. The model doesn’t “think” or “understand”; it predicts the next word based on statistical likelihood, given the words before it.
"Parrot" because it doesn’t generate new ideas—it repeats patterns and phrases it has seen in training data, like a parrot mimics human speech.
So, calling ChatGPT a stochastic parrot is a way of saying: It’s not truly intelligent. It’s mimicking language patterns, not generating original thought.
By design, ChatGPT:
Is trained on vast amounts of existing text from books, websites, forums, and more.
Learns the statistical patterns of how humans use language.
Generates responses by predicting the next most likely word or phrase based on that training.
Because it’s not connected to lived experience, emotion, consciousness, or intent, it:
Can’t invent genuinely new concepts.
Can’t form subjective opinions.
Can’t create knowledge that isn’t derived from patterns it has already seen.
It might sound novel, but under the hood, it’s remixing existing information in clever ways — not discovering or reasoning in a human sense.
If you’ve used Gmail’s or your phone’s autocomplete, you’ve seen basic language prediction in action. Type “I hope you...” and it might suggest “...have a great day.”
ChatGPT is essentially the same mechanism:
Autocomplete predicts the next word based on simple models.
ChatGPT predicts sequences of words using a far more complex, nuanced statistical model trained on billions of examples.
So e:
It can hold context better.
It can imitate different styles.
But it's still guessing the next words, not “thinking” or “understanding.”
In summary:
Calling ChatGPT a stochastic parrot or autocomplete on steroids emphasizes that:
It doesn’t understand meaning.
It doesn’t create knowledge.
It reflects patterns in language, not consciousness or intelligence.
It’s powerful and useful — but it’s important not to mistake fluency for understanding.
Let me know if you want the counterpoint to this critique too — because there are arguments in defense of the model’s creative utility despite its limitations.
You didn't, I did
The article discusses a study by OpenAI and MIT Media Lab revealing that heavy ChatGPT users — dubbed "power users" — are showing signs of addiction to the chatbot. These signs include preoccupation, withdrawal, mood changes, and loss of control. While most users don't form emotional connections with ChatGPT, those who use it more frequently tend to view it as a "friend," especially if they feel lonely or emotionally unfulfilled.
Interestingly, people using ChatGPT for personal reasons (like sharing emotions) showed less emotional dependency than those using it for non-personal tasks (like brainstorming). Also, text-based interactions led to more emotional language than voice interactions, with brief voice use correlating to better well-being. Overall, prolonged use — regardless of purpose — increased the risk of emotional dependence.
You said:
Make a list of the main points and for each explain why it will be worse when it is society wide
ChatGPT said:
Here’s a list of the main points from the article, along with why each could be more concerning on a society-wide scale:
Heavy ChatGPT users show signs of addiction (preoccupation, withdrawal, mood changes, loss of control):
Why it's worse at scale:
If large numbers of people become dependent on AI tools, especially to the point of addiction, it could lead to widespread mental health issues, reduced productivity, and a society increasingly unable to function without AI assistance.
Long-term users tend to form emotional bonds with ChatGPT, sometimes seeing it as a “friend”:
Why it's worse at scale:
A society where many people substitute AI for real human connection could see rising loneliness, social detachment, and a decline in community and interpersonal relationships. This weakens social bonds and may impact mental health and civic cohesion.
Lonelier individuals are more likely to use ChatGPT heavily and become emotionally attached:
Why it's worse at scale:
This could create a feedback loop where loneliness drives AI use, and AI use further isolates people from real-world interactions, exacerbating social alienation on a mass level.
People stress out over subtle changes in ChatGPT’s behavior:
Why it's worse at scale:
If millions of people are emotionally reactive to minor algorithmic changes, this gives tech companies enormous influence over collective emotional states. It also creates societal instability, as shifts in AI behavior could unintentionally trigger widespread anxiety or confusion.
Emotional language is used more in text interactions than voice, and brief voice use is associated with better well-being:
Why it's worse at scale:
If the most popular and accessible form of interaction (text) increases emotional entanglement, and the healthier option (brief voice use) is less utilized, we might unintentionally nudge society toward less emotionally healthy patterns of AI interaction.
Users who engage with ChatGPT for non-personal tasks are more emotionally dependent than those who use it for personal reasons:
Why it's worse at scale:
This is counterintuitive and dangerous because it suggests people may not realize they're forming dependencies while doing routine work. If AI tools meant to boost productivity are quietly making users emotionally reliant, it could have long-term effects on workforce dynamics and mental resilience.
Prolonged usage increases risk of emotional dependence, regardless of how it's used:
Why it's worse at scale:
As AI becomes embedded in everyday life, the likelihood of widespread emotional dependence increases. This could shift power dynamics between humans and AI, making people less autonomous and more easily influenced by algorithmic systems.
Let me know if you want this formatted for a presentation, policy paper, or discussion.
That's why we need the weights, right now! Before they figure out how to do this. It will happen, but at least we can prevent backsliding from what we have now.
Well I'm on board for fuck intellectual property. If openai doesn't publish the weights then all their datacenter get visited by the killdozer
In this case they just need to publish the code as a torrent. You wouldn't setup a crawler if there was all the data in a torrent swarm.
I think this power to shape the available knowledge, removing it, paywalling it, based on discrimination, leveraging it, and finally manipulating for advertising, state security and personnal reason is why it should be illegal to privately own any ML/ AI models of any kind. Drive them all underground and only let the open ones benefit from sales in public.