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frightful_hobgoblin

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  • There's buckets of wrong information on Lemmy mate, no question

  • Simply leaves social media, or believe nothing on it.

    Academic books by experrs, peer-reviewed papers etc. are better.

    Wikipedia and podcast/interviews with real experts (not pundits, I mean experts) are good too.

  • Various tribal structures have existed and still do (I'm a registered member of a clan, was clan secretary at one point) but Rousseau's bands are a fantasy with no archæological basis.

    I see to reason to speculate on history when we have collective pride visible in our daily experience. Especially not to say the former is valid and the really-experienced one isn't.

  • You're comparing two things:

    • Actually observed collective pride in nations
    • Pride in hypothetical tribal bands that may have never existed

    And saying the first is "silly" but the second is what we're built for.

    Understanding collective pride in its actual form is less silly than pushing into some dreamed-of past.

  • this thread is bringing all the Thatcherites out

  • You don’t have “second hand pride with extra narrative on top” from people that died long before you were born

    The individualists in this thread are saying:

    • Your personal conduct didn't form your nation
    • And personal conduct is the only valid source of pride
    • Therefore you can't be proud of your nation

    And I don't agree with the 2nd premise at all. People are social beings and there's lots of examples of collective pride.

  • You think I think you're a

  • Suffers from the same individualism as some other comments.

    Most people know how to be proud of things outside their small self. It's only that Protestant individualist mindset that denies the reality of the collective, and with it collective pride.

  • indubitably

  • people tend to like to be around people that’ve shared a same background, is that’s ok? And to what degree?

    There's different ways of liking people: you don't like your mam the same way you like your friends, and you don't like your funny friend the same way you like your lover.

    I have some pretty obscure interests, and the small group of local people who share my interests are from diverse backgrounds (but homogeneous in interests). Different ways of 'liking'. Shared background is one.

  • Some of my life-achievements involved contributing to my nation.

  • The philosophy behind that is that only individual choices matter.

    What you're saying is logical, but only if you're on-board with an individualist worldview to start.

  • I like it in an unintelligent sentimental way.

  • What are the three logos?

  • Parish priests are real, and parochial houses. The antics obviously are fiction.