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BY FAITH, I ENDURE

  • Oops, I thought you were serious, sorry :)

    No worries... I get a few flashes of almost genius, interspersed with many of remarkable stupidity... at least you only need to wake up (or get some sleep).

    I keep going back to the fact that every thought had to have been thought a first time by someone, so that it has to be possible to have an original thought. Could it be then that maybe we've just finally run out of humanly conceivable ideas?

  • The first to explore the thought was Plato, approx 2500 years ago. Try again :)

  • 100% original... oceans and oranges aren't original.

  • Wouldn't matter if someone else had the same thought, as long as you thought it entirely on your own.

  • I'd say it's because we're ridiculously spoiled (Canadian here).

  • Just let it happen naturally, as you're getting to know each other. If you're truly the sane one, they'll eventually see that you're sane and explaining your family history won't be as daunting anymore.

  • Very interesting, I can see how that could become like a thorn in the brain. But I can also imagine how an original thought might require an unusual and/or surprising set of circumstances that might cause you to forget Tim Allen's theory just long enough for the thought to occur to you independently... like one of those aha or eureka moments. Also, I'm not sure about the connection you make here to a deity... there are plenty of things firmly planted in our memories, doesn't mean everyone and everything that planted them are gods.

  • I'm not sure about the relationship between thought and the materials around us, but I do know that every single thought had to have been thought a first time by someone.

  • Well, every single thought had to have been thought a first time by someone, no?

  • Lol, in that case, I'm not gonna ask.

  • Yes, I'd say our thoughts can be distinct from each other... conversely, I can't see how all our thoughts can be mere variations of one original thought when we're obviously capable of thinking about many unrelated things.

    Yes, I'd say memories are thoughts when we actively remember, and the experiences they stem from are the origins of those thoughts... but original only to us, not original in nature... unless we've somehow had an entirely unique experience.

    No, we don't need to express ourselves vocally in order to be having thoughts... hence, private thoughts.

  • Consider that every thought had to have been thought for a first time by someone. And thoughts and emotions are entirely different things, so that doesn't work. Interesting though, what you said about our first thoughts being original... that hadn't occurred to me, need to think about that one.

  • Not true... every thought had to have been thought for a first time by someone, just not by us (it seems).

  • A thought that came to you entirely independent of anyone else's thoughts... something that no one before you has thought or imagined, so that it includes absolutely nothing that's already familiar to you.

  • Doesn't work... you're still thinking of things that have been thought by others before you, which is why it occurred to you to even think about them.

  • Yes, that would count as an original thought... whether someone else had already thought it or not doesn't matter, as long as you yourself thought it entirely on your own.

  • It only occurred to you to think of these things because others thought of them before you, and you heard about them... sodium, bath, bath bomb, etc. So not 100% original. Try imagining something that no one before you has ever imagined before, in any shape or form. I can't do it and trying boggles my mind.

  • I was thinking more along the lines of framing people.

  • 100% original... fish and regurgitation and upside-down and top hats have all been thought of before.