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ObjectivityIncarnate

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  • a life long STD that could fucking kill me than an unplanned pregnancy?

    To be fair, a pregnancy can kill you, too.

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  • On the other hand female condoms and diaphragms exist yet I rarely hear about them being used.

    That's because they suck, even compared to the male version of the same. More awkward/unpleasant to use than male condoms, and less effective to boot.

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  • I saw one in an efficacy chart for different contraceptives that IUDs were slightly better than tubal ligation (literal sterilization)! Given the side effects etc. of the latter, it seems like 'getting your tubes tied' has become completely obsoleted by modern IUDs.

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  • Why are there dozens of different birth control options for women, and men have exactly condoms, permanent sterilization and nothing else?

    Because only the female body has a built-in 'fertility off' mode (pregnancy) that pharmacopoeia can manipulate. The most effective contraceptive methods we have all depend on tricking the female body into thinking it's pregnant when it isn't. The reason women have so many options is simply because there are a lot of different ways to accomplish that 'trickery', pharmaceutically. Women also only have one real barrier method, the diaphragm. It's even shittier than condoms, re efficacy.

    Those are just the biological facts of the matter. It's not some sinister scheme to pass the buck from men to women. The above is exacerbated by the simple fact that it's about stopping one egg a month versus stopping millions of constantly-created sperm.

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  • saying “not all men” every time a problem is addressed

    saying "not all men" every time all men are held accountable for what a tiny minority of men do*

    Fixed.

    The only thing it "undermines" is the sexist generalization.

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  • "Hard disagree" with an opinion? He's not asserting anything, just saying how he feels, lol.

    there's something super sexy about getting all hot and heavy, teasing and playing then grabbing the condom and unwrapping it

    I think you just have a condom kink, lol. As a furry who's been exposed to a LOT of kink, this sounds exactly like how artists who draw condom-centric furry porn describe condom usage.

    For the vast majority of people of both sexes, condoms are a necessary nuisance, at best, and they'd much rather get to it without having to deal with one.

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  • No matter how good, convenient or easily usable birth control for men becomes

    This is a strange thing to say, considering that contraception has never been more effective, more convenient, or more easily usable for men, than for women.

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  • Neither sex prefers condoms to no condoms. No pair of sexual partners ever utilize them unless they have a good reason to (and even with a good reason, many people don't, lol).

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  • No contraceptive is 100% foolproof, so using a backup is always a good thing.

    Hormonal contraceptive efficacy is in the 99.8X% range. Using another method on top of it makes a difference so small that it'd be within the margin of error of any attempt to measure it.

    This is like saying seat belts aren't 100% foolproof, so you should always also wear a helmet while driving a car.

    And seriously, if the friction is the only thing that make you enjoy sex

    1. Friction is the only way 99.9% of people will ever orgasm, and good luck finding anyone who'd say they'd prefer if they didn't orgasm during sex.
    2. Seeking pleasurable physical sensation is not equivalent to not enjoying a sexual encounter without it. This is like telling someone who says they prefer pepperoni on their pizza that they don't actually like pizza, just pepperoni.
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  • Yes, I understand that, and tweaked my comment to make that more clear.

    Frankly, the fact that we're able to temporarily turn off fertility at will at all is extraordinary, tradeoffs or not.

    I of course can understand a woman who can't find a method that works for her wanting her male partner to use a condom if she doesn't want to get pregnant. Personally, as a male in the position of her partner, I would sympathize, but would rather have non-penetrative sexual contact, or none at all, rather than presentative sex with a condom, because they take the majority of the pleasure out of the act, for me.

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  • Penis owners can get the ✂️✂️ with nearly no pushback.

    Nah, lots of men get similar pushback when seeking sterilization, to what women get when seeking similar.

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  • Not all men, but always men.

    1. No shit, we're talking about condoms, goofball.
    2. How would you feel about someone saying "throwing your newborn into a dumpster, women are horrible...the truth is, it does happen. Not all women, but always women"? Would you instantly magically understand the massive logical flaw once the 'target' isn't a demo you're already biased against?
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  • Not only that, but the fact is, the vast majority of the time a Bad Thing (e.g. STI transmission or unwanted pregnancy) happens from unprotected sex, it's because both partners simply didn't care enough to use anything. Even taking the idiot in your example, he got laid in the end, that's how he got what he got.

    Without these idiots of both sexes, unwanted pregnancy would be extremely rare, and almost no STI would survive longer than a generation.

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  • so many of the methods seem designed to punish women for wanting sex without pregnancy.

    Yes, that's right, the people inventing these contraceptives were all huddled in a room twirling their misogyny mustaches, discussing "okay, we're going to make this thing that prevents pregnancy, but we have to MAKE SURE it has unpleasant side effects, these women must be punished!"

    Please.

    But I’d think guys would love condoms because it’s the only reversible birth control they can control themselves.

    Guys do like that, but not as much as they dislike the fact that it makes sex a lot less pleasurable, which is the primary reason they want to have sex in the first place. That's why a lot of guys, like me, would rather just not have sex with a woman, if the only 'safe' (re both STIs and pregnancy) way to have sex with her, is with a condom on.

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  • You don’t want a kid? Man up and get a vasectomy.

    What if you don't want a kid now, but will want one later?

    Permanent sterilization isn't always the answer.

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  • With the way the world is going, reproducing is certainly a choice.

    Oh, please, with this nihilistic nonsense. When in history would you have said "it's a great time to reproduce!"?

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  • Second panel should be the guy asking why she hasn't changed to one of the other dozen plus methods she has available, then. Women have lots of options, and can almost always find one with no/tolerable (especially compared to pregnancy) side effects, because hormone-free barrier methods are among the options for her, too.

    Edit: tweaked for less 'absolute' wording.

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  • you can be a cop who knows a law needs reworking, but instead of using your station and your voice to change it

    How do you know this wasn't attempted? You're acting like simply being a cop gives you the power to change legislation, which is obviously wrong.