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i am more than willing to engage on any positive claim you want to make (i probably agree with a lot of them). what i’m not willing to do is tolerate personal attacks and dogpiling.

  • . First, since more plant agriculture is dedicated to animal consumption and raising than for human consumption, there is a disproportionate amount of fertilizers and pesticides used on that portion of crops

    this is simply untrue. globally, about 2/3 of all our crop calories go to humans, and, by and large, what is fed to livestock are parts of plants that people can't or won't eat.

  • Many times vegans actually raise the point that all the water we use to grow the soy

    the vast majority of the global soy crop (about 85%) is pressed for soybean oil for human use. the waste product from that process is called soy cake, and if it were not fed to livestock, it would simply be industrial waste. feeding soy to livestock is a conservation of resources.

    https://ourworldindata.org/images/published/Global-soy-production-to-end-use.png

  • Animal agriculture uses a disproportionate amount of water, not only for keeping the animals alive but also for growing the crops to feed the animals.

    water isn't destroyed by being used for animals to eat or drink. even if it were (which makes no sense and, again, is not true), using water to make food is a good use for water. additionally, myopically focusing on any single metric really harms our understanding of the system as a whole. for instance, cows are fed cottonseed, but cotton isn't grown for cottonseed: it's a waste product. why should the crop weight of cottonseed be calculated as a portion of the water use of cows, when that's a conservation of resources? it shouldn't. this metric is a red herring.

  • Cows are one of the leading contributors of methane to the atmosphere, a gas that is 30-90 times more potent as a greenhouse gas as carbon dioxide.

    all of agriculture, including cows, is only about 20% of our ghg emissions. you are using vague and scary language to mislead.

  • Eating animal products is terrible for the habitat which we call Planet Earth

    eating animal products has no impact at all. the problems that exist arise during production.

  • animals don't consent to anything, any more than trees or machines. it is absurd to discuss consent from something that can not be informed.

  • I can only think of one that does: utilitarianism. it's frought with epistemic problems not to mention it can be summed up "the ends justify the means" which most people think is itself unethical.

  • if you grant plants sentience, veganism is still the more ethical option.

    ... for ethical systems in which sentience is a consideration.

  • socialism has nothing to do with taxes

  • there is no stipulation that the research must be non-profit.

  • it is pretty obviously scholarship and research

  • here's a sidechannel attack on your position: every use, even infringing uses, are fair use until adjudicated, because what fair use means is that a court has agreed that your infringing use is allowed. so of course ai training (broadly) is always fair use. but particular instances of ai training may be found to not be fair use, and so we can't be sure that you are always going to be right (for the specific ai models that may come into question legally).