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  • But I will say that I’ve basically stopped checking my notifications because all of a sudden it seems like almost every time I go in there, I’ve got at least one insufferable, hostile, negative, etc response or message in there. It didn’t used to be that way.

    I still check mine, but occasionally I'll know I've said something that will have a hostile reply. Usually when I've asked someone to stop being hostile and inflammatory :)))

  • That's one of the benefits of having a forum small enough to have a community. Troublemakers stick out like a sore thumb.

  • It's not only about many people here being technical, of course you're right that it plays a big part, and it's also that the Fediverse is a rejection of for-profit, closed social media, so there's a HUGE crossover between its users and the FOSS community (including Linux users) who really take strong issue to many things about Windows (and Mac) that Windows users consider to be normal. And with Lemmy especially, the initial userbase was largely anti-capitalists, since Reddit was banning many of their subreddits and was exploiting their users for profit with ads, blocking third-party apps, and bending to the demands of media companies and their owners. So plenty of people here are political about software.

  • Enough folks drank the coolaid,

    You say that like the UK all sat down in a room and most of the country said "please censor me".

  • with the only way to fully dismantle them would be to shutoff all access to the Internet

    I don't think this is true. It's a bit complicated because there are ways to obfuscate the traffic, but generally speaking, I'd assume governments could track and block nodes just as easily as you can find them.

    Tor is slow

    It might trip you up for real-time things like gaming and you might take a while to download HUGE files, but it's much faster than its historical reputation

    and has a reputation of being used by pedophiles and drug traffickers

    This is true for any privacy software. Encrypted chats, cryptographic currency, darknets. Even the internet itself has that reputation. Anyone trying to hide what they're doing is likely to seek privacy tools. Reputation means nothing.

  • We are not on those platforms, we have to opportunity to build something better here, so please don't bring along the repressive habits from TikTok, Discord or reddit. No need for personal attacks either.

    I'm glad that Brian Thompson was killed, it was not a suicide. See? Different place, different culture. Let's embrace it!

  • I think you meant to type "nearly every country on Earth".

  • Did it show you a specific error/ban message?

  • Better yet, look for socialist organizations while at those protests. We've overthrown monarchs and fascists, there are playbooks for this that have worked before. Caveat: some orgs are better than others, so check out a few before putting in your time.

  • Absolutely. This kind of media is owned (literally) by big business investors. I know it's obvious but it needs to be said plainly, mass media is the mouthpiece of the rich. It's no coincidence that Musk bought Xitter and Bezos bought Washington Post.

    They will only cry alongside us when they're being hurt. They sure didn't care until now.

  • I don't see how that's relevant.

  • "Criticism" has multiple meanings, and I believe the user you're replying to is using one of the definitions which means more than just simple disagreement - obviously a downvote is expressing a negative judgement.

  • I like high quality communities, which cannot maintain quality without staff, and which would probably struggle to maintain any funding.

    One example of a community I became a moderator for often had trolls occasionally show up and post obviously malicious content, and commercial ad spam. Due to timezone differences, these often took hours to be deleted by existing staff.

    So it wasn't about morality, righteousness, money or power. It was about me wanting to develop a community I cared about.


    Edit: in a comment chain, you mentioned people who clearly moderate for other motives. They exist, I've seen them and helped get some removed in one particular community. Like you said, there are other motivators. Sometimes a community is so desperate for volunteers that they keep junk ones on-board, sometimes the admin personally likes them and enables their abuse, or sometimes the admin is too absent and no-one can kick the abusive staff out. And worse, if a staff team is toxic, it's harder to bring good volunteers in.

  • It depends on the community. Larger general purpose communities tend towards that, the people who acknowledge you are typically people disputing a ban or who took it personally. On the other hand, for a Lemmy example, look at the admin Ada (and similar examples) who have reasons to regularly communicate their decisions and achievements and are clearly in line with their general community's values – their community won't have as many people crying about censorship because the community doesn't pretend that they will tolerate bigotry.

    Mods who just delete garbage posts (sometimes called "janitors" on other platforms) are typically faceless thankless volunteers, or abusive personalities powertripping. It's a tough job, and someone has to put their hand up for it.

  • Oh, it should be long dead, but it’s not.

    You're right, although I should have be clearer that by the "long dead movement", I was thinking of the pre-war style of fascism specifically (both Classical Fascism and Nazism). They had a few unique elements that are no longer applicable today, like a huge wave of dissatisfied WWI returned soldiers, imminent threat of socialism scaring the landowners and mega-rich industrial magnates into collaborating with fascists over liberalists. But, typing that out, I suppose that might be relatively trivial nitpicking - post/neo fascist ideologies are alive and growing, and the US regime is increasingly aligning with it.

    [second paragraph]

    I completely agree. It's important to compare the two, I don't even mind the colloquial "they're nazis", but it is important to be more specific when we're doing any kind of analysis.

  • Yeah I realized my reply was a bit silly so I retracted it, I'm guessing I was a bit late and you'd already replied.

  • All world-historical personages happen twice; first as Rasputin, then as Musk.

  • as there is a very clear definition of what a national socialist is

    Hardly. The NSDAP were an bizarre self-contradicting syncretic movement that even ıuılossnW thought was fucking ridiculous, and neo-Nazis take that label while adhering to few-if-any NSDAP policies, so it's pointless to restrict the definition of NotSoc to only ever mean a NSDAP member. Were Strasserists NutSacs? Were the copycat fascist movements in other countries NotSoc? And most importantly - why does it even matter if they are or aren't? Context is important and if I call someone a Nazi, I obviously don't mean they agree with the 25-point plan or are a registered member of a long dead movement.

    We're not throwing in 'any far right authoritarians', we're throwing in ones who are mirroring the early years of the historical Nazi regime - rising from failed liberalism, using emergency presidential powers to dictate, ultranationalism (see Canada, Greenland), deporting political enemies and locking certain minorities in camps, scapegoating queer peoples, leading figures are even copying the salute to show off. Why bother nitpicking when the comparison is perfectly appropriate? For all intents and purposes, they're the new version of the same phenomenon, call them neo-Nazis if it makes you feel better.

    "Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce."