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  • Default way to access the platform for the average potential news joiners is mobile

    Voyager, Thunder, Artic provide good defaults.

  • Then you probably hit the main issue. Everyone's time is limited.

  • I've seen people using Voyager for a year and not even knowing what their instance is. They seem content, vote, post just like on Reddit.

    People can drive a car without knowing what type of engine it is. They turn the wheel, it turns.

  • OP, FYI I pinged you on this post but it was probably drown in the replies to your posts: https://lemm.ee/post/55244676

    If you want to try out your approach (Photon as default, probably some communities hidden from the All feed), feel free to create a community dedicated to that project. You can probably promote it here and on a few other communities. The biggest challenge is probably going to find an admin wanting to give this a try.

    I wanted to do something similar a months ago ( https://lemm.ee/post/52588852 ), but no admin was interested. Maybe you'll have more luck.

  • If you joined a German-speaking WoW server as a non-speaking German, the experience was going to be subpar

  • People are still on Twitter while the owner makes Nazi salutes and Bluesky is a 1:1 replacement feature-wise with a modern interface. People just don't like to move.

  • Be careful that IIRC Reddit blocked the phtn URL and would automatically remove comments mentioning it.

    Not sure if it's still the case now, but just a warning.

  • It's on a Bluesky community, there's a serious bias in those votes

  • Text-based forums are a niche. The vast majority of the population doesn't like that format. There's a reason no Bluesky has emerged, the appeal is just not there.

    About Bluesky, there was an app that allowed "Reddit view" (so threads with votes). Can't find it back right now, the search mostly show Flashes, the Instagram alternative, which probably reflects the larger interest for that type of format.

  • What proportion of the potential new joiners are going to use the web UI compared to an app like Sync, Thunder or Arctic?

  • Something like https://phtn.app/ really should be the default

    Disclaimer: Photon is great and the dev does a fantastic job. Also, the beta is open, please give them feedback on !photon@lemdro.id

    However, there as still issues induced by not using the default UI. One of the instances I used added photon as p.instance for a while

    Photon was still in early stages, and there was a bug preventing it to load for some people (Firefox users IIRC). In the end the admin switched to Tesseract.

    https://lemdro.id/ has photon as a Default, but it took them a while to the latest version, for quite some time it wasn't ideal. I would still go to https://l.lemdro.id/ just because the Comments view was available, or because some other info was missing/hidden.

    Lemmy releases new versions quite regularly, and there are usually a few bugs. Photon development is independent, and the Photon dev has to catch-up with those. Add admins sometimes limited availability to the mix and the experience can really become subpar.

  • I'm well aware, but it's the only one available on both platforms and looks better than the default UI on mobile

    I actually usually point to https://vger.app/settings/install so that people have links to their versions

  • Indeed, I see people saying "we should just randomly assign an instance from the top 10", when hexbear (RIP) was in the top 5

    Also top 10 ( https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list )

    1. LW
    2. lemm.ee
    3. lemmynsfw.com - not suitable
    4. sh.itjust.work - shit in the name, not appealing to the average user
    5. lemmy.ml - power tripping https://feddit.uk/post/12952230
    6. lemmy.dbzer0.com - requires to follow and agree the Anarchist code of Conduct - not appealing to the average user
    7. lemmy.ca - Canada-oriented, non-Canadian users might not want to join as they wouldn't think they would belong
    8. feddit.org - German-focused, https://feddit.org/c/main content is in German
    9. lemmy.blahaj.zone - queer-focused
    10. programming.dev - programmers-focused

    I made a more complete analysis in this post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37336391 (pinned on !fedibridge@lemmy.dbzer0.com ), nowadays I basically go with:

    " Lemmy has 47k monthly active users

    Feel free if you have any questions"

    Because yes, the USA/EU question appeared during the Luigi announcement in LW.