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  • You're right, you can contribute as much noise as you can to any discussion you want.

    But that is all you are doing.

  • Because it is not my decision as it is not my project, and I do not like to constantly be making big deal about other people's decisions unless there is a significant chance of them having a significantly negative impact on my life, which I do not see in this case.

  • I've been thinking about trying it, but it wasn't obviously "magical" to me when I last took a look. What makes you say that?

  • What specific problem are you afraid would make your life worse as a result of uutils being MIT-licensed that is so bad that the entire operating system is verbatim to you? Especially given that coreutils will continue to be available to you?

  • In your comment you said:

    it’s absolutely awful for the coreutils

    My (admittedly, facetiously made) point is that coreutils is already GPL, and it's not like it is going away.

  • Okay, so it sounds like in practice this would primarily affect the uutils developers by denying them access to these changes. However, they are the ones who deliberately chose this license, so why make a big deal of it in every single uutils thread?

  • The theoretical concern is that some nefarious company will start making improvements and not contribute them back so that it can have access to (and possibly even sell) its own premium version that takes advantage of the hard work of the community without giving back.

    Personally, I am a bit skeptical of this for a couple of reasons. First, I have a really hard time seeing any company care enough about uutils to do this. Second, continually merging changes from an upstream project is a real pain, so there is a strong incentive to make contributions back out of self-interest.

    But even to the extent that there is some grounds to be concerned, it is not enough for so many people to contribute so much noise to every single one of these posts whining, as if it is attack on them personally.

  • What freedom is being taken away from you, personally, exactly, that makes it so bad that they decided to go with this license?

  • Just because you can add noise to a discussion does not mean that you have to.

  • Okay, then every time you complain about it I will point out that your complaint is a petty one that adds nothing to the discussion.

    It will be a tireless job but someone has to do it. :-)

  • I wasn't aware that the coreutils software was changing its license?

  • Right, so the answer to your question is that it is trolling the uutils devs because Ubuntu was the one that decided to make the switch.

  • It is trolling when it broke production level systems?

    Depends. Were they the ones who put it into production level systems? If the answer to that question is no, then, well, you have your answer already.

  • Are you going to complain about this every time uutils is posted?

  • Yes, but they have it easy because their operating system only has one pony, whereas GNU is working with an entire hurd.

  • Hurd has always seemed cool from the purist viewpoint of, "Let's prove to the world that we can do everything using a microkernel!"-- and to be frank, as a Haskell lover, it would be hypocritical for me to fault anyone for this level of purity!--but development has been plodding along for decades, with the article claiming (unless I misread it) that they are still working on things like SMP and 64-bit support.

    I mean, as long as the people tinkering with this are having fun then that is all that really matters, and more power to them! However, that really seems to be the entirety of its purpose at this point, which is a shame given the lofty ambitions with which the project was launched.

  • Thanks, that's really helpful!

  • What makes it that bad?

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  • I think to some extent we have been talking past each other. Very roughly speaking, I think that am more worried about what happens in the middle of an experiment, where you are more worried about what happens at the end. I actually completely agree with you that when a conscious being performs a measurement, then, from the perspective of that being, both interpretations of what happened when it performed the observation are equivalent. That is, the being has no way of telling them apart, and asking which interpretation is true at that point is, in my opinion, roughly along the same lines as asking whether the objective world exists.

    (Just to be clear, it's not my intent to get mystical here. I think of consciousness as essentially just being a way of processing information about the world, rather than positing the existence of souls.)