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  • You can choose any chatmail server just like when you sign up for lemmy you can choose which instance you’re gonna have your account on. And you can also run your own instance and allow people to sign up on there.

  • Thank you

  • Delta.chat already exists

  • The protocol doesn’t really matter when you send encrypted messages over it like Delta Chat. Signal is not private nor decentralized and SimpleX doesn’t have encrypted group chats last time I tried

  • Signal is neither of those

  • You can now also choose to just be assigned a new email account when you start using Delta Chat (only drawback is that you can’t send unencrypted emails with that email account so you can’t use it for anything other than chatting)

  • Yea but not in vc debt so without the incentive to sell out users

  • Yeah I’d rather not share my identity though. Seems like an odd requirement for a “private” messenger

  • I asked specifically for relevant issues and you just link general issues with smtp that have no impact on Delta Chat?

    SMTP is not secure

    Delta Chat sends encrypted messages over it so that’s irrelevant.

    SMTP is not efficiency

    Your phone can run LLMs, it can send a couple packets. Also this “chattyness” can be seen as an advantage as it is extremely robust and works on any network however inconsistent.

    SMTP doesn’t have a way to ensure stuff is delivered

    Yeah duh? It’s decentralized. You can’t ensure that the recipient doesn’t take down their server?…

    Etc. I feel like I’m wasting my time replying to all these because it seems you didn’t even take the time to read them yourself.

  • You cannot make a Signal account without phone number so that’s not true.

  • Could you be more concrete? In what relevant way do you think it does not work as an instant messenger? Keep in mind that Delta Chat is not a theoretical thing and it works as well as any other messenger.

  • That’s just open source, not decentralized. I can’t find a definition of decentralization that would even make it vague. From Wikipedia:

    Decentralization is the process by which the activities of an organization, particularly those related to planning and decision-making, are distributed or delegated away from a central, authoritative location or group and given to smaller factions within it.

    Signal has a central authoritative server and to use it with any other server you have to modify the source code.

  • Because delta chat is using an open protocol (email) and you can run your own servers meaning it is decentralized unlike Signal. Also it is actually anonymous unlike Signal, so you don’t need to give anyone your phone number and people can’t find where you live just by knowing your username.

  • E-mail is an excellent protocol for messaging, see delta.chat

  • it’s decentralized

    No it’s not. From literally your own comment:

    Signal relies on centralized servers

    For a decentralized messenger use https://delta.chat

  • Delta Chat aims for “WhatsApp-level” simplicity and these webxdc zips are just called “apps” when regular users interact with them in the Delta Chat app.

    This blog post goes a bit more in-depth on what they are, how they work and how you can build one. Which I thought would be interesting for this Technology forum.

  • Yeah the spec is at https://webxdc.org/ and it is implemented by Delta Chat and a couple XMPP clients.

    I don’t use Matrix so I’m not sure.