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  • Yeah, that is why it was justified to shoot protesters

    If that's what you think I'm suggesting, you need to work on your reading comprehension.

    There were protesters protesting for a change in government, there were organizers setting up alternative structures to compensate for the government's failure, there were also fascists lynching government officials in the streets.

    Are you suggesting it would have been better to just let the fascists seize power?

    A lot of governments built monuments to Nazi collaborteurs. That doesn’t mean jack shit

    Oh lmao.

  • weren’t those protests by-and-large made up of parents?

    Yes and no, a number of universities had pro-segregation actions by students including protests

    History is always more complicated and nuanced than any narrative would lead you to believe.

  • The Young Turk movement started with medical students.

    There were quite a few pro-segregation protests when schools were desegregated.

    There's also a lot of cases where students with real grievances and positive intentions are coopted; most of the students protesting in the early 90s in eastern europe didn't intend to do a color revolution and have their countries stripped for parts.

  • The guy you're responding to is a liberal doing a piss-poor satire of a ML.

    The students protests was quickly co-opted by nazi collaborators entirely unaffiliated with the students, it'd be like if Jan 6 happened during the 2020 protests.

    The government vindicating those protestors also built monuments to nazi collaborators.

    It's a complex issue, the students had genuine issues the government was failing to address, but if the soviets didn't step in, things would have been far, far worse. For comparison, here's what tended to happen in countries that failed to stop the counterrevolution around that time.

  • Good catch, I have edited it accordingly. Real "giving the nobel peace prize to Henry Kissinger and the guys he is currently dropping chemical weapons on" vibes.

    Also: Holy shit, Chiang Kai-Shek is there for 1937.

  • They were selling weapons to both sides. GM controlled Opel until the 1940s, they built a lot of the nazi war machine (using forced labor), the Ford-Werke factory in Germany produced V2 rocket turbines among other parts, and US strategic bombers were specifically told to avoid bombing it because it was owned by an american, Exxon and Dow licensed patents for synthetic rubber and other war materials Germany lacked, Chase provided loans necessary for the rearmament, IBM sold the nazis the computers they used to carry out the holocaust.

    The capitalist class looked at fascism as the savior of capitalism; they'd been terrified of a revolution in Germany and Hitler had just shown them an alternative. There's a reason he was Time's man of the year in 1938.

  • Louis DeJoy (born 1956 or 1957[citation needed]) is an American businessman serving as the 75th U.S. postmaster general. He was appointed in May 2020 by the Board of Governors of the United States Postal Service (USPS). Prior to the appointment, he was the founder and CEO of the logistics and freight company New Breed Logistics and was a major Republican Party donor and fundraiser for Donald Trump.[1] DeJoy is the first postmaster general since 1992 without any previous experience in the USPS and the first postmaster general in U.S. history to come directly from the board of a privately owned competitor to the public–private partnership of the USPS entity.[2] His companies still hold active service contracts with the USPS, generating controversy over conflict of interest.[3]

  • Marx made statements about the proletariat without experiencing it or doing field studies

    Every economist has made statements about the proletariat, how could you write any economic work without including the working class?

    But also Marx was around during 1848 and went to Paris in the wake of the Paris Commune, he wasn't Che or Stalin, but he certainly wasn't sitting in an ivory tower writing theories without any input from the reality on the ground.

    Marx thought that the most oppressed are the ones most likely to begin a revolution which is wrong

    No, Marx thought the industrial working class were the ones most likely to begin a revolution, as opposed to the farmers who (in france, britain, and germany) were much more atomized due to their means of production, which was accurate to France and Germany, though South America, Russia, China, and Korea all proved that the peasant class had revolutionary potential.

    Marxist framework

    Marx's framework was examining society from a materialist lens, specifically related to the means of production to understand things, as opposed to idealism; a Marxist historian analyzing the french revolution focuses on the contradiction between the bourgeoisie's economic power and the aristocracy's power within the government. A non-marxist focuses on the personalities of individuals involved and the ideas they professed rather than structures. To paraphrase Engels mocking Great Man Theory, it's a shame Steve Jobs wasn't born in ancient Egypt, then we could have had iPhones 4,000 years ago.

    When something is labeled marxist feminism, it's not adding feminism to marxism, it's applying a marxist analysis to feminism.

  • What's that a reference to?

    Also Adam Smith was a college professor, that's not a typical proletarian job.

    People who went to college in the 17 and 1800s and had the means to gather data aren't the sort to have typical proletarian jobs.

  • I'm not talking about all EVs, just Teslas. Most EVs don't have a tendency to lock the occupants inside after a bad crash.

    Here's a random twitter user compiling news stories of Tesla deaths that prove it's at least double the Ford Pinto: https://xcancel.com/ton_aarts/status/1593557636695445505

    And what one guy on twitter can find is hardly exhaustive.

  • How many other economists worked typical proletarian jobs?

  • He worked for various newspapers and published a bunch of books.

  • Ideology aside, they make some very good PR

    They immolate people per vehicle sold than the ford pinto. The have absurd numbers of points of failure; until a few years ago each door handle had over a dozen sensors and wires, all exposed to moisture and thermal cycling, and cost $500 each. They use a few hall effect sensors now, but still cost >$500.

  • These schools spent hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars to pay cops to kick the shit out of their own students, and they got defunded anyway.

  • The rest of the planet: Me next!

  • That is why neither party would ever permit electoral reform. What next, are you going to suggest we get rid of gerrymandering? Lobbying? Insider Trading for congress members?

  • republican voters put the fear of the primary in their elected representatives

    Not just that, they don't expect blind loyalty like the democrats. I have never seen a republican tell their base after the primary "Eat shit. You're gonna vote for me anyway, otherwise you're a democrat" and then get indignant when nobody shows up to vote for them.

  • So they're gonna change the MiG-15 reporting name right?