I’m just saying they have a plan for a narrow loss and a plan for getting the shit kicked out of them.
No, your argument is mistaking nonsense and lying no matter what as a plan. The way we win is by them getting the shit kicked out of them in the election count results. It makes MAGA Republicans sound absurd when they try to say millions of votes were faked. The majority of people know that's ridiculous because we all live in reality. Making the MAGA movement look like clowns when they inevitably make their false claims is how we win.
To put it another way, we don't need to win over MAGA loyalists, we need to win over everyone else. The smaller the margin of the victory for Kamala, the more credible the MAGA movement's claims seem. They will make the same claims no matter the actual results. That's not logic, that's additional evidence that the MAGA movement is a cult. So we need to pull the rug out from under the MAGA movement with a landslide victory for Kamala by voting in record numbers.
It's not a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's a case of making it clear that the inevitable lie from MAGA is in fact a lie.
If all people are seeing are the polls, then they could easily be misled. Tell people right-wing organizations are skewing their polls to create a red mirage.
Following that strategy we would be giving the election away to Trump. A small deviation from the polls in Kamala's favor would be more suspect than a large one, because it would be easier to fake. We cannot win over MAGA Republicans in this narrow time window, they will say the election is rigged even if Trump wins. For most people, seeing Kamala win in a landslide would be proof the polls got it wrong.
I'm not sure how many never Trump Republicans are in the House of Representatives or the Senate now. It was a minority before, but it's probably even smaller now. Mitt Romney didn't run for reelection in the Senate. Every House seat is up for grabs.
Biden would definitely immediately send in support to any kind of Jan 6th esque event.
I doubt he will leverage the immunity SCOTUS has given presidents to safeguard democracy, but I would be happy to be proven wrong on that point. Hopefully it won't come to that.
This is why it's important to vote in record numbers no matter where people live. Kamala needs to win in a landslide in as many places as possible to leave no doubt that these polls were bogus. Otherwise we could end up with contested election results all over the country. edit: typos
This has been going on for at least the last week or two. An article I read said they could account for a biased poll, but I think the quantity is still skewing the average. If these polls are suspect, because of their source, it's unclear to me why polling websites sites are uncritically taking them into account.
Considering the number of accelerationists on lemmy, it's important to point out a distinction. What's improved this situation is the new knowledge that was gained not the fact that something bad happened to these people. These people could have learned this without having to experience it. And if they had experienced this but not understood the context behind that experience, they would have learned nothing.
If Republicans succeed in their christo-fascist dictatorship this election, a lot of us are going to learn a lot of lessons. But we won't necessarily be able to act on those lessons. And a lot of people will be dead or continue to be in information silos. So if we manage four more years of democracy we need to use that time to educate people. That's the only way this gets better.
I mean, I addressed the second and third sections. The statements in the first section are tautological truisms. So I'm not sure what you mean.
I largely agree with your points, just not that there is no hope for these people on a long enough timescale. This was both preventable and is fixable. We just have to give ourselves the time to fix it.
I'm choosing to believe in people. It's the most useful outlook I can have.
In the short term, between now and the election, sure. Studies have shown people reject new information that contradicts an established belief. In the long term, it's possible to get people out of cults and fascist movements. But that takes a level of time and effort we no longer have.
Best we can hope for is superior numbers to the degree that the inevitable court battle after the election cannot refute.
Yes, this is the solution. We outnumber the fascists. We need to show it at the polls and vote for the Harris-Walz ticket.
Exactly, socialism is an inclusive institution like majority rule democracy. We are headed to an Orwellian dystopia by prioritizing the freedoms of markets and corporations over people. Rather than state propaganda we got propaganda from billionaires. The effect was the same as 1984.
The difference being, despite how flawed it is, we still live in a democracy for now. So we need to vote in record numbers for Kamala and Walz. The Republican strategy is to contest the election in every state, county, and polling place so we need to out vote the Republicans everywhere we can.
That's the thing about fascism. It can happen anywhere because people aren't inherently predisposed to any ideology. With enough brainwashing and propaganda over enough time anyone who doesn't already know better can become a fascist.
This didn't happen overnight, fascism takes time to take root. In the US, neoliberalism has been pushing socialism out and letting fascism in for over forty years since Regan took office.
People keep asking why the race is so close. Decades of brainwashing from the right wing infosphere and a lack of push back from out institutions that are supposed to be bastions of democracy are two primary culprits.
Trump is already planning on replacing everyone in the federal administrative state with loyalists. If the military doesn't follow his orders he will keep replacing people in the military until they do.
The real question is will the military do anything to stop Trump? Let's not put ourselves in the position of needing to rally around General Brown in a civil war. Let's vote for Kamala and call Trump weird.
To paraphrase Trump, he said if elected, he will send the military and national guard after his political and ideological opponents.
That's a threat. It's phrased as a threat. The fact he's says it calmly doesn't matter. This is what fascists do. They identify an out group. They stir up public fear and resentment against the out group. They make promises to their supports, in the form of threats of violence against the out group, to get rid of the out group. Then historically speaking they make good on their threats to the best of their ability once they take power.
When fascists run out of the current out group they just find another way to divide the population and pick a new out group. As long as fascists want to cling to power they need an enemy. What Trump isn't telling us is the next out group he hasn't picked yet because he doesn't plan that far ahead. The Haitian immigrant conspiracy was a spur of the moment thing that other people had previously come up with and told him about on the plane ride to the debate. If he ever needs a new group to fearmonger about he'll just ask other fascists for ideas. edit: typos
This is the story that we need to be focusing on until election day. None of the other stunts matter. If anything this post should be pinned. We should keep our eye on the ball even if the media won't.
Trump threatened to send the military and the national guard after people on the left and Democratic politicians. This is blatant and open fascism. In any other election Trump being openly fascist would be the October surprise. Everyone needs to see this.
No, your argument is mistaking nonsense and lying no matter what as a plan. The way we win is by them getting the shit kicked out of them in the election count results. It makes MAGA Republicans sound absurd when they try to say millions of votes were faked. The majority of people know that's ridiculous because we all live in reality. Making the MAGA movement look like clowns when they inevitably make their false claims is how we win.
To put it another way, we don't need to win over MAGA loyalists, we need to win over everyone else. The smaller the margin of the victory for Kamala, the more credible the MAGA movement's claims seem. They will make the same claims no matter the actual results. That's not logic, that's additional evidence that the MAGA movement is a cult. So we need to pull the rug out from under the MAGA movement with a landslide victory for Kamala by voting in record numbers.
It's not a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's a case of making it clear that the inevitable lie from MAGA is in fact a lie.