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SorteKanin

@ SorteKanin @feddit.dk

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  • The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Cohost and the Fate of Centralized Platforms

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  • They really have as little power as they can given the constraints. If you don't want an admin to have power over a lot of people, join a small instance and advocate others do the same.

    It really sounds like you just want to be your own admin though. Maybe a personal instance would be a way for you.

  • The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Cohost and the Fate of Centralized Platforms

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  • Again, then choose an admin or an instance that doesn't get defederated a lot. And as said elsewhere, you (or at least most people) don't want a scenario where you can't block other people or whole instances. Defederation is an important moderation tool.

  • The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Cohost and the Fate of Centralized Platforms

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  • You realize the way things work currently doesn’t prevent that, right?

    It totally does prevent it because every community has a unique name, when you include the instance domain. Which is the whole point. The instance is where the community lives.

  • The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Cohost and the Fate of Centralized Platforms

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  • Indeed - that is why you should consider at least a little bit which admin you want to sign up with (i.e. which instance you choose). Choose an admin that wouldn't just do that willy-nilly (except maybe in cases where abuse/bad actors is obvious), but would only do it after careful consideration and maybe even with involvement from their users.

    This is not an argument against the fediverse model of admins owning instances. It's just an argument for choosing good admins.

  • The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Cohost and the Fate of Centralized Platforms

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  • there’s a bunch of centralized authorities instead of one

    I mean sorry but that's just what decentralization is, unless you want a fully peer-to-peer protocol which is not realistic at all.

  • The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Cohost and the Fate of Centralized Platforms

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  • I suppose communities would not have unique names then - otherwise I'll just go ahead and create communities from all the words in the dictionary and then I control all communities.

    So if they don't have unique names, how in the world do we refer to them? By some opaque UUID or something? I mean I guess it's possible, maybe.

    Who's hosting this new community you just made? Where does it live? The description of the community, you know the side bar in a Lemmy community, where is that physically speaking?

  • The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Cohost and the Fate of Centralized Platforms

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  • only mods should be able to ban me from specific communities

    As I stated elsewhere, I don't really see how you can even have mods without admins.

    But how is admins banning you from an instance any different than a mod banning you from a community? Why are you okay being banned from a community by a mod but not okay being banned by an admin from an instance? Isn't it the same conceptually speaking, just on a different moderation/administration level?

  • The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Cohost and the Fate of Centralized Platforms

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  • If there are no admins, who can ever decide who is a moderator? How do you decide that? The way it is currently decided is via admins granting mods powers on communities on that admin's instance. If you don't have admins, I don't see how you could possibly have mods.

  • The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Cohost and the Fate of Centralized Platforms

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  • Yea... I get what you mean. There isn't really an instance that is "not zero defederation"-moderated and general enough for all people if you take out lemmy.world. That's honestly kind of surprising, it feels like a niche that more players could fill. But I guess that's how lemmy.world got as big as it did.

    If you had to give one suggestion, maybe. But still, any instance matching geographical location or a specific of your interest would be better.

  • The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Cohost and the Fate of Centralized Platforms

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  • Honestly that's why email has stuck around. Can you imagine if one company controlled email? That would've enshittified and shut down years ago lol

  • The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Cohost and the Fate of Centralized Platforms

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  • This should hopefully get better over time as some instances stick around for longer. You'll be able to point to instances that have stuck around for a while, which means they'll probably stick around for some time longer. The problem right now is that the fediverse and many instances are still young, and something that started yesterday is not too likely to still exist tomorrow.

  • The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Cohost and the Fate of Centralized Platforms

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  • Would it have helped Cohost survive?

    Well in theory if cohost was decentralized, the instance that is now shutting down would just be one of many. As it is, it's one of one, the only one.

    Plenty of Lemmy instances have shut down, some less abruptly than others. One cohost instance shutting down is not that remarkable, all things considered. It's only remarkable cause there's just one instance.

  • The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Cohost and the Fate of Centralized Platforms

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  • If you follow that logic, people should never be able to block or ban you? That makes no sense. Of course anyone should be allowed to block anyone else for whatever reason they choose. That's what defederation is as well. If you don't have the option of blocking or banning, stuff degenerates really badly and really quickly.

  • The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Cohost and the Fate of Centralized Platforms

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  • I always point new users to Lemm.ee nowadays.

    Most people are not interested in moderating their own feed. Leading people to an instance that does very little moderation on the defederation side of things could push them away. In that situation, they are likely to just leave the fediverse altogether and less likely to go to another instance I would say. I respect lemm.ee as an instance but I would not recommend it as a "gateway drug" to the fediverse.

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  • In the end it’s just a bunch of centralized websites sharing content if the admins feel like it

    The whole point of the fediverse is having a choice of admin. That democratizes the space because people can choose where to go. The point is not to rid yourself of admins entirely (or at least not without just becoming your own admin, but then there is still an admin, it's just yourself).

    Make all content available to all and have people develop a UI to access it, let the users curate their feed.

    Sorry but the vast majority of users are not interested in curating their feed. Most people don't want to also be moderators. I mean fuck it's difficult to even recruit mods for even medium-sized communities. Most people don't like "absolute free speech" and want some level of moderation. Making all content available is not a path towards healthy platforms - it runs into the nazi bar problem instantaneously.

    I won't even comment on the herculean technical challenge of doing it in the way you describe, but even if it was possible, I don't think it's actually desirable. It sounds good on the surface, but that's about it.

  • TIL: males have 25% more neurons in the visual cortex than females

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  • ... What? Okay I get all of them except the SNQ one.

  • The two most upvoted comments on any Lemmy instance are on Feddit.dk, but you won't see them on your own instance

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  • I'm not a native speaker so I don't hear the fart association so much. But isn't tooting also just what a trumpet or elephant does? In that way it makes sense. But I do think the terminology is a bit silly. Why not just "post" instead of toot? Why not just "repost" or "share" instead of "boost"? It feels a bit too much like corporate social media where every feature needs a "wacky and fun" name.

  • The two most upvoted comments on any Lemmy instance are on Feddit.dk, but you won't see them on your own instance

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  • Yea I see what you mean. How do we solve this though? I mean let's say you were to redesign the protocol from scratch. Do you just need to include all these things into the protocol from the start? That's a lot of features and considerations to make. An extensible protocol might be for the best? But it does bring a lot of complexity... I'm really not sure.

    this has historically been mastodon. and they have put themselves in such a place that anything they do not approve of gets seen as a “nonstandard extension” and anything they see gets seen as a part of the standard. see the above reply.

    Yea this is problematic, especially because this pulls AP into a more microblogging-oriented direction, at the expense or at least disregard of all other use cases. I would not call this a benevolent dictator - that's just a regular dictator.

    (surprisingly, this is the second time i’m writing this exact thing today)

    Where? I'd love to read more about this stuff.

  • The two most upvoted comments on any Lemmy instance are on Feddit.dk, but you won't see them on your own instance

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  • I recently started looking at socialhub actually. I have even participated in that emoji reaction thread you linked, but I only joined the site recently.

    Honestly, I'm a bit confused by the site. There's kind of a lack of direction in a sense? Everyone is trying to extend the protocol in various different ways and it seems difficult to achieve alignment and agreement. I guess that is to be expected in a decentralized system but still.

    you’ll find MANY threads of reasonable ideas that are in json-ld representation bikeshed hell as people unnecessarily debate over which exact json-ld representation of the same exact data is the most correctest

    What's the alternative though? I mean nobody has the authority to put their foot down and decide. I agree that the debates go on for way too long, but how else do we find alignment? Then again, the long discussions definitely exhibits a kind of selection bias - only the people who are pedantic enough to keep discussing will do so. Everyone else naturally just get tired of the whole thing and leave.

    It's weird but it almost feels like the fediverse needs a benevolent dictator to kind of get an overview and set a clearer direction, when it comes to the standards.

    this bullshit ON FEATURES ACTIVELY FEDERATING RIGHT NOW, where changing it would BREAK BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY

    But these features were totally non-standard extensions right? You can't expect such things to continue being compatible as the actual standard evolves. It would also be a neat way to strong-arm the standard - just implement an extension in the way that you want it to work and now the standard has to keep your version compatible. That wouldn't be good. Just because there exists a non-standard implementation does not mean it should be able to dictate how stuff should be done.