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  • How do veterans make people’s lives better in the grand scheme?

    "Grand scheme" nope, immediately wrong. You want to make things better in some big dramatic way, you want to be the face of a movement, you want a leadership position, don't commit war crimes and rape people. Period.

    You want to earn redemption and forgiveness having done those things? You contribute to other people's movements and efforts. You quietly support from the background.

    The vast majority of people who are actually working to make the world a better place receive little to no recognition. They never get their name up in lights, even if they do good their entire lives without killing and raping first. Now, you think the killer-for-hire is somehow entitled to being one of the few people who get recognition, who represent the movement? That they're too good to do the quiet and humble work that non-murderers do? Where do you get off?

    Is mass change through the state apparatus not an effective way of achieving the same goals?

    Whether it is or not is irrelevant, the point is that Platner shouldn't be one of the figures leading and representing that effort.

  • If a former veteran gets elected as a politician, blocks legislation that favors the Military Industrial Complex (MIC) and Israel, and passes legislation that benefits the constituents at home, then that’s some real, tangible restitution.

    No, no it's not, that's not how anything works. "I just need to acquire power for myself so that I can make up for the bad things I did" is completely the wrong mentality and not someone who is genuinely seeking forgiveness. Your path of redemption does not look like you becoming one of the most powerful and influential people on earth. You want forgiveness, you use the power that you have right now to make a difference.

    This is fundamental. Everyone has some fantasy about how, once they're rich and famous and powerful, once they win the lottery, they'll be super generous and kind and make the world a better place. And in the meantime, if they have to screw people over to get there, it doesn't matter because it'll all work out in the end. Seeking forgiveness necessarily means rejecting that mentality!

    If you have already fucked up with what power you have, then the problem isn't that you don't have enough power, it's that you aren't capable of using that power responsibly. The last thing you should be trying to do is acquire more power, and doing that is fundamentally incompatible with redemption.

    That’s purity politics.

    So be it. If that's purity politics, then we need way more purity politics in the US.

    Biden spent his entire long career creating and exacerbating every problem the country has been facing, and somehow anyone who tried to apply any standard whatsoever to him, including just basic cognitive functioning, was accused of practicing "purity politics." The US already has the least "pure" political standards in the entire world. That's how we got here.

  • Are you MLs going to exclude all veterans from the revolution then?

    From leadership positions? Sure.

    Are you MLs going to consider that all veterans are a monolith and deserve to be morally contempted for the rest of their lives, with no chance of rehabilitation and change?

    Excluding someone from a leadership position does not mean they "deserve to be morally contempted with no chance of rehabilitation or change." This whole mentality is completely screwed up and backwards.

    If a politician fucks up or does something shitty, and they want my forgiveness, then they're completely free to drop out of politics. Go volunteer at a soup kitchen or something. Better yet, go out and make restitution to your victims. It doesn't matter if you're unable to undo the damage you caused, so long as you're trying and you're being humble about it.

    But somehow, and idk if this is an American thing or what, but people like you get things completely twisted. A politician can just say "I'm sorry," do absolutely nothing to make restitution or demonstrate humility, and everything's fine! It's ridiculous, that's not forgiveness, that's either not caring about what they did in the first place, or bootlicking and refusing to hold powerful people accountable.

    No one who's truly sorry and ashamed about something they've done would try to make themselves the face of a political movement and expect people to rally around them. Why does it have to be him when there are plenty of other people out there who haven't been a killer for hire or a rapist?

    It's completely insane.

  • I'm not ignorant, I don't have poor critical-thinking skills, I'm not secretly a right-wing extremist or a Russian bot. I'm just fed up with establishment politicians who act like they're entitled to my vote while doing all sorts of horrible things and treating me with utter contempt and hostility for daring to acknowledge that Palestinians have rights.

  • It’s actually impossible for two people to have different opinions about something, no matter how different their beliefs or life experiences are. There are only two reasons a person might disagree with you, either they’re being paid off by sinister forces or they’re a bot.

  • That was over 50 years ago. Most of those voters are dead.

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  • What the libs celebrating this don't understand is that a third party doesn't have to be treated with complete hostility. Tucker's party could very well wind up endorsing a Republican candidate, in exchange for that candidate giving them some policy concessions (or bribing them with dark money and/or cabinet positions, of course). This is how third parties can wield the threat of being a spoiler as leverage to get policy they want, and why a right-wing third party isn't automatically advantageous to the Democrats.

    What he's probably gonna do is to champion whatever wedge issue is in the zeitgeist that neither major party is responding to at all (a given), and he's going to get the Republicans to give him a small, symbolic, and ultimately meaningless concession on that point, which will lead people concerned about that issue into the Republican party.

    If the Democrats were capable of viewing the left with anything short of outright contempt and hostility for daring to question their absolute authority, if they actually responded to democratic pressure from below instead of plugging their ears and giving us nothing but tear gas, then maybe we wouldn't be in the situation we're in now, and maybe we wouldn't have to worry as much about that happening in the future. But it's a given that people will be more frustrated than ever with the duoparty in the next election and it's also a given that the Democrats will absolutely refuse to budge or adapt at all, and so there's plenty of room for Tucker to sweep up voters by actually engaging with their concerns (dishonestly of course).

  • If trends continue, everything will be like it is now, but slightly worse in every way.

  • How far can this bubble possibly stretch?

  • Well, according to this headline, you're welcome to attack Platner over it.

  • China’s war crimes.

    I think you typically have to be in a war in order to do war crimes.

  • I don’t know the details but it sounds like a concealment charge, which again isn’t much of a thing unless you’re falsely charged with terrorism. It’s not so much the zines as the association-- but 30 years is again, obviously bullshit.

    That said, just to clarify those who only read the headline: this isn’t the administration just targeting political opponents and calling them antifa to get them arrested. They got arrested for crimes like vandalism and assault and the antifa terrorism crap was tagged on.

    It sounds an awful lot like this is the administration just targeting political opponents by calling them antifa to get them arrested.

  • I’m just saying, if you don’t want to go to prison for a long time then don’t do crimes with an armed guy you met online.

    "I'm just saying, if you don't want to go to prison don't ever have a conversation with someone who might someday commit a crime, while doing absolutely nothing illegal." Its ridiculous to blame the victims here.

  • How about the guy who got 30 years for distributing pamphlets and wasn't even there? Got a justification for that one?

  • One of them got 30 years for distributing pamphlets.

  • I don’t remember what Afghanistan war was all about, so I can’t help you with that.

    Apparently! Because the strategy you're advocating is literally how we created a power vacuum in Afghanistan that created ISIS and utterly failed to improve anything even after decades of occupation!

    Those that refuse to learn history are doomed to repeat it, and by God, do Americans refuse to learn anything from history!

  • I expect the New World Order to get up to some crazy shit but pandas, buckets of blood, and sex appeal don't mix.

  • Competent? Who the fuck cares if they're competent at betraying the public, starting pointless wars, terrorizing the globe, and slaughtering innocents?

  • Worst possible take. "Personally, I think we should have kept bombing schoolchildren longer." I bet you think pulling out of Afghanistan was a mistake too. Just as psychotic as the people in power want you to be.

  • What? How? Cutting and running makes this much less of a blunder than either of those cases.