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  • You do realize that countries outside the US exist, right? Because the answer is No. No, they do not do these things outside of United States of America - which is 1 country.

    Yes, as weird as it seems to you - the world is not entirely in one country called United States and what applies to what you know of your country does not apply in the entire world.

    Here in the UK even grandma does not mail in bill payments, nor do most places accept this, she does it via the app or the utility company website for Direct Debit, or she has someone do it for her via the app before she goes on to be racist on Facebook.

    This is the same way for blue collar workers. They in-fact - must have debit cards because they must have bank accounts to even get paid via PAYE and IR35 and thus pay taxes. While there are jobs outside of that, the people who work those jobs will be paid into bank accounts, and cash in hand jobs mean via PayPal or Venmo or some such that all also require bank accounts and KYC.

    Hell, you can't even rent a place without showing them your bank statements, or straight up letting the letting agency login to your bank account via some third party data harvesting / "income analysis" tool so they can "confirm" your income and employment status. I had this exact thing demanded when I was looking for a place up and down the country just over half a year ago by every letting agency under the sun, from small to big, south to north.

    Yes there are people without bank accounts, but it's usually only because they've either:

    a) Just arrived and have no permanent address which is required to set up a bank account, meaning they have to pay rent upfront for 6mo to a year to avoid checks to even get an address, which they can't get because they can't get a job which again - requires a bank account - trapping them in a cycle of poverty unless they have savings in a foreign bank account with which to pay upfront rent Or: b) Are destitute and homeless, again - without a permanent address, which is required for a bank account.

    The same goes for smartphones. You're not realistically gonna get a job without a smartphone.

    Credit cards yes - most people do not use them, and their dominance as a default and even commonplace household usage as 'deficit spending' on Temu is most commonly a US phenomenon.

    That's because debit cards are the default in the rest of the world - credit cards are not. Since everyone has a bank account and smartphone, most people pay with Google Pay via NFC on their phone anyway IRL, and many people shop online, which is the use of a debit card - paying for things.

    As opposed to credit cards, which are seen as borrowing. Not that many people are keen to borrow money or engage in any finance that could be seen as "gambling", definitely least so the wagies, with the exception of some horse betting or memestocks or in the case of 100% brain use - a savings account at a bank or building society, all of which almost universally already require a bank account meaning a minimum of 2 apps.

    I personally do have one but I'm in the minority.

    You saying this interaction is pointless is very self-reporting, because you are essentially stating that you will not change your mind regardless of how many times and how much you are corrected.

    It is an admission that your bizarre insistence that your experience is universal - as if you not knowing how things are in the rest of the world is some sort of attack on you - is in fact, terminal. I'm sorry for you.

    I don't claim to know how things work in America, I've heard American colleagues say crazy stuff about how everything is tied to your credit ratings, which isn't the case here nearly as much, but I also don't claim that everything i know about my country - the UK - applies to the rest of the world, because of course it doesn't, I'm claiming that what you're saying - what might be true in your country - the US - is a universal worldwide experience.

    I'm not sure what you expected claiming this in this international discussion on this international community on this international website on this international internet.

  • No, we cannot do those things any other way.

    Yes, it's a privilege to be able to simply say no to having a bank account, for one you'd need to not be in paid employment and not on any financial assistance, so basically a NEET and/or like a foreign-born investor, for which you need to be pretty rich.

  • Genuinely shocking. Idgaf about any of this but the America-centrism is crazy.

  • I am not American you weird internet man. In the rest of the world and specifically my part of it - Europe, all banks require their app, there is no way around it, and there is no way to use foreign bank accounts or not have a bank account at all etc etc.

    I wrote about all this before, including ITT.

    Why the fuck do I have to explain this over and over like you was born yesterday?

    Stop assuming your country's experience is at all representative of the rest of the world, because evidently - it is not.

  • Because you can't get paid into a foreign bank you absolute child.

  • The social media that exist today do so because of pretty extreme evolutionary pressure in competition with many other similar and dissimilar platforms.

    The core premise formula of these corpo social medias is often not actually bad in a vacuum.

    If you think about legacy social media:

    Facebook is about sharing and following microblogs from your friends and acquaintances and staying in touch. YouTube is about sharing videos. Tumblr is about niche interest full-fat blogs. Reddit is about making it easy to create a forums.

    MySpace is for uhm uhh something like Facebook and Tumblr mixed together, which just doesn't hold the appeal because those crowds are almost completely separate. IMO it actually works well, but VK (back in the day) did it better IYKYK.

    Then your second gen ones:

    Instagram is about sharing photos. Twitter is for news commentary and opinion microblogs. Google+ is uhhh like Facebook, Twitter and Instagram in one.

    Ofc you also have Vine which just failed to monetize but was actually a good concept that people loved.

    Then you have your third gen ones like:

    Snapchat is like Instagram but for messages. TikTok is like YouTube but short and for phones.

    YikYak is like Facebook but uhhh.

    You can even trace it back to wacky dot-com bubble ideas with some sort of funnyshoesfordogs.com that has a gimmick but no longevity and then the more refined but rough sites of the mid-aughts competing with each other for new users and for early adopters against the then dominant petty dictatorships of various forums.

    So copying existing platforms is not a bad idea to start with. Perhaps out of this we can see a new demand and meet it with a federated structure to get ahead of the corpos as well.

  • In most of the world that isn't 1 country that starts with 'United States' and ends with 'of America'

  • Yeah. And to think, it's a fairly small amount of nuance - it's very basic and intuitive and information about it is literally everywhere. We are hopeless when it comes to far more complex and nuanced social issues we face like rehabilitation or ethnocentrism or trans athletes or the what have you.

    People seem to think socialism and any progress is like "be nice to each other" or some stupid aestheticism about "empathy".

    There's basically no way to have a conversation with them most of the time, they are so far gone and their fully formed thoughts seem more like inaccurate shorthands, it's like trying to explain astrodynamics to a dog when it's actively trying not to understand them.

    Normies are the death of us all.

  • Yeah it's unhinged, FOSS is as communism in practice as it gets right now and the left just ignores it, dismissing it as "tech bad" because they can only think in AnPrim brainrot terms most of the time and judge only by aesthetics and make sweeping generalisations about social media that lack any and all imagination.

  • Yeah except I do actually need one for work, paying rent, paying bills etc. It's a helluva position of privilege to be able to say no to something like that, and that's coming from someone who doesn't have a car, which is far less necessary.

  • Useless without passing Google's Integrity checks.

  • How the fuck would I access my bank then? All banks literally require their apps to access the account or sometimes even open the account, nevermind actually pay for anything or get a debit or credit card.

    Inb4 some American downvotes because they forget the rest of the world exists

    We get it, Americans use cash in America, and they use magnetic stripe cards and cheques and all these other technologies that were phased out in rest of the world before I was even born, but that's not really an argument to make on a global platform.

  • They go where the people are because impressions and engagement are money.

  • They just don't care or don't even see it because they live in their personal bubble of like, sports news and little more.

  • Good idea to recognize, but bad examples.

    The issue isn't even using devices to replace cognitive functions. That's anprim shit, I'm not gonna do 5 digit numbers on my head, imma use a calculator, especially if it's something important or there are stakes to getting it wrong.

    The issue more than anything is agency.

  • Goddamn I was reading this expecting to disagree and bitch and moan about the word being overused but it's 100% justified, that David horseshit Hanson guy is unhinged and cloudflare bankrolling his arch Linux rice is something else.

    Not only is he defending the anti-trans activist Linehan getting arrested (for bullying and harassing an underage girl and accusing the police being "on the payroll of trans activists" (whatever that means) in court), but davis huge hiney here also is full on dog whistling about white replacement on his website, banging on about "Pakistani rape gangs" etc. usually with links to xitter misinfo about the convicted felon Tommy Robinson who was let out of prison not long ago and has been leading the far-right riots.

    Read for yourself, it's honestly not very exciting, very run of the mill typical rightoid shit https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64.

    I also do wonder what the fuck is the point of having le unix porn riced setup just to have half the screen be taken up by a web browser with grok in it (lol)

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