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  • It's dirt cheap, too. If this was a cost-cutting measure, it was a thoroughly idiotic one. Which feels like the mark... of a certain someone I can think of

  • He is studiously apolitical, the only political comment I could find from him was the very sensible advice that we need to tone down our hyperpartisanship :)

    https://x.com/MarkRober/status/1641487680168153089?lang=en

    For me, I criticize any vehicle that is objectively crappy... and some vehicles where I find them subjectively crappy... and I hope folks don't assume I'm doing that because of my political leanings.

  • I did low-key get the squiggles before writing the article. I thought, from an ethical hacking disclosure-type perspective, that this info might cause folks to... well, ya know, paint tunnels on walls.

    Then I looked, the cat was already out of the bag, the video had something like 5 million views on it in the 4 hours it took me to draft the article. So I shared it, but I definitely did have that thought cross my mind. I am also a little worried on that score.

  • So, your comment got me thinking... surely, in a big country like the US of A, this mural must actually exist already, right?

    Of course it does. It is an art piece in Columbia, S.C: https://img.atlasobscura.com/90srIbBi-XX-H9u6i_RykKIinRXlpclCHtk-QPSHixk/rt:fit/w:1200/q:80/sm:1/scp:1/ar:1/aHR0cHM6Ly9hdGxh/cy1kZXYuczMuYW1h/em9uYXdzLmNvbS91/cGxvYWRzL3BsYWNl/X2ltYWdlcy85ZTUw/M2ZkZDAxZjVhN2Rm/NmVfOTIyNjQ4NjQ0/OF80YWVhNzFkZjY0/X3ouanBn.webp

    A full article about it: https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/tunnelvision

    How would Tesla FSD react to Tunnelvision, I wonder? How would Tesla FSD react to an overturned semi truck with a realistic depiction of a highway on it? JK, Tesla FSD crashes directly into overturned semis even without the image depiction issue.

    I don't think the test is misleading. It's puffed up for entertainment purposes, but in being puffed up, it draws attention to an important drawback of optical-only self-driving cars, which is otherwise a difficult and arcane topic to draw everyday people's attention to.

  • I am fairly dumb. Like, I am both dumb and I am fair-handed.

    But, I am not pretentious!

    So, let's talk about your points and the title. You said I had fairly dumb pretenses, let's talk through those.

    1. The title of the article... there is no obvious reason to think that I think computers think like humans, certainly not from that headline. Why do you think that?
    2. There are absolutely realistic situations exactly like this, not a pretense. Don't think Loony Tunes. Think 18 wheeler with a realistic photo of a highway depicted on the side, or a billboard with the same. The academic article where 3 PhD holding engineering types discuss the issue at length, which is linked in my article. This is accepted by peer-reviewed science and has been for years.
    3. Yes, I agree. That's not a pretense, that's just... a factually correct observation. You can't train an AI to avoid optical illusions if its only sensor input is optical. That's why the Tesla choice to skip LiDAR and remove radar is a terminal case of the stupids. They've invested in a dead-end sensor suite, as evidenced by their earning the title of Most Lethal Car Brand on the Road.

    This does just impact Teslas, because they do not use LiDAR. To my knowledge, they are the only popular ADAS in the American market that would be fooled by a test like this.

    Near as I can tell, you're basically wrong point by point here.

  • The radar module on my truck costs $70.

    The richest man on earth doesn't think the lives of your vehicle's passengers are worth $17.50 a pop.

    And that's to a knuckledragger like me, buying a single radar unit online. I'm sure the manufacturer gets insane quantity discounts.

  • They really had me in the first half, not gonna lie

  • They tested a LiDAR rigged car, and it stopped just like you predicted. As of 2021, Tesla uses only cameras for FSD, and not even radar (which my stupid fine Toyota truck has).

    They tested the idea safely by building the wall out of styrofoam, or at least that's what it looks like when it blows apart :)

  • Aw come on, I thought the lasers versus watermelons demo was a lot of fun, and if that isn't mad science, I don't know what is

  • The scientists in Ireland calling their data set to prevent this exact fucking thing "Coyote" sent me over the moon.

  • "But humans can do it with their eyes!" - says the man not selling a human brain to go with the optical sensors

  • That is an absolute no-brainer. Pay aside, take care of family.

    That's the whole purpose of the pay anyhow, money is just an odd totem that we allow to take care of our families.

    Plus, you get to hang out with the little one for 3 months! Your wife loves you even better. It's wins all the way down.

  • That's enough of that, you'll bruise its self-esteem...!

    And as you know, that voids the warranty

  • I thought it was funny... if I have to explain the joke, though, maybe it wasn't that funny!

    Like, King of Hammers is just about the hardest off-road race there is. The hard parts of King of Hammers do not look like a parking lot. The hard parts look like the picture below. To get hit with a DNF in the parking lot is unexpected, and that's the onion-y quality in my head. Again, the joke is not as good if I need to explain it.

    https://www.cnet.com/a/img/resize/8cf49fe481ba89de68410474a8e02e3361076037/hub/2016/01/26/6e6d7d6f-78ad-40d9-9ba9-34d577b2c219/credit-kathy-durrett-koh-2015-6.jpg?auto=webp&fit=crop&height=675&width=1200

  • Tesla is an innovative company that way.

  • As a muscle car driver in the past, oddly, the sound is a big deal. The sound scratches some primal itch. A muscle car sounds like mechanical power. It's hard to explain, it vibrates through the pedal, so I guess it's sort of a human-machine interface feature. But also emotional. A lot going on there, I actually find that dimension of the design real interesting, most potential buyers hate what they attempted.

    I can see how the corporate suits and engineers wouldn't get it. But surely at least some of their engineers are gearheads? They tried to replicate it, and just widely missed the mark to most folks. It sounds really shitty in the videos I've seen.

    You're right, tho, the simple answer... it's fake. It's much more expensive than it used to be, and it's clearly imitation. Nobody likes being a sucker, and a bad deal like that makes the buyer a sucker.