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JubilantJaguar

@ JubilantJaguar @lemmy.world

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European. Linux enthusiast. History graduate. I never downvote reasoned opinions and I do not engage with people who downvote mine (which may be why you got no reply). Low-effort comments with vulgarity or snark will also be ignored.

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  • Good someone went to the trouble of digging that up. A link would have been useful. I stand by everything I have ever written, otherwise I would have deleted it.

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  • There are some issues there’s no room for reasonable disagreement on.

    There's always room for reasonable disagreement when the issue in question is a word whose definition contains an element of intent and is therefore unfalsifiable.

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  • it’s comforting to look around and see that everyone agree with you.

    True, and personally I find it a bit of a mystery. The norm for a "discussion" is a thread stuffed with "me too" comments where everyone agrees with each other. What are people getting out of this intellectually? In practice it seems that many people are not using social media to exchange ideas at all, they're doing it mainly to affirm their membership of this or that tribe.

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  • To me that feels like too much of a concession to the abusive mod. If they don't want me in their community, fine, I will respect that. In the case of !europe@feddit.org, I can see the quality of the contributions. I know that mine would have raised the level. It's their loss. And Lemmy's, unfortunately.

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  • Please make better use of your time.

    In turn, I'm wondering if you're going to have this much energy yourself after (say) another six months here! Thanks for the intelligent pushback you're giving, I appreciate it.

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  • It hardly needs to be said, but the problem is many people here define "bigot" as "someone who doesn't agree with me".

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  • when you said “it’s not immune to it”. That’s the understatement of the year award

    My post is stuffed with strategic understatement. I wanted people to take it seriously so I had to try not to lose them.

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  • But why should we accept that insults and mockery are par for the course? That's my problem. Federated social media is no better (or hardly any better) than other social media on this point. Starting your own community of people you already agree with - to me that seems to totally defeat the point of political discussion. In democracy we should be able to talk civilly to people we don't agree with. Done properly, it's also more interesting.

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  • I have literally never complained when someone disagreed with me politely. I love debate. I don't like rudeness, insults, mockery, brigading, and all the rest of the litany of social-media toxicity.

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  • Thanks, I appreciate that.

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  • Because where's there's a choice, I'll take the non-Marxist-Leninist option.

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  • Sure, that sounds mostly fair to me. Except on the silly genocide point, which is maybe revealing of something. Again, I do not have a personal opinion on it and never expressed one beyond refusing to endorse the progressive party line, which seems to have taken on the quality of a religious purity test.

    especially if you get defensive and rude over polite, reasonable responses

    Defensive, sure. But almost never rude. I've made a massive effort to avoid insults and mockery because I understand it's counterproductive. That is unlike very many of the people who I've had the temerity to contradict or disagree with on this platform. It sometimes feels like others often don't made that distinction (between testiness and outright insult), and take any contradiction of viewpoint as a licence to get personal. You seem to be fair-minded: If you looked more closely, I think you might see what I mean.

    The general tone of your comments, i.e. generous but a bit mystified, suggests to me that you just happen to share the prevailing values and assumptions and opinions here. That will go a long way to getting you a good experience.

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  • The full story is that the mod admitted banning me not for what I wrote but for what they thought I meant. That's just outrageous.

    What I actually wrote was (1) a factual correction to some comment downplaying the scale of the jihadi terrorist problem a decade ago, and (2) the anodyne observation that we cannot just dismiss as illegitimate the concerns that voters have about the effects of immigration.

    I don't know why you're so keen on sullying me, to the point of alleging that you've looked into this when you obvious haven't. I'll keep things civil and leave it there.

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  • Thank you for expressing perfectly the points I didn't have the energy to make myself. It's a comfort to know that there are other people here who still believe in free expression and enjoy hearing opinions they don't necessarily share.

    PS: But judging by the upvote tallies, we're outnumbered about 3 or 4 to one. I have no idea how democracy will continue to exist if this is representative of the offline world.

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  • But you must be subscribed to some? I'm guessing nobody much visits them one by one, it's single feed all the way. I just checked and, yep, a ban is also an unsubscription, so you won't be informed but the posts will just stop coming.

    I see you've posted to !europe@feddit.org. I'm still pretty pissed about what happened there. On one hand I tell myself they're not worth my time if they're going to treat any tiny ideological micro-dissent with such ferocity (again: I'm a frigging centrist). On the other, they're clearly still the best Europe community on Lemmy, unfortunately for me. That community was literally the reason I signed up in the first place.

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  • Now that is a genuinely interesting comment! I assume you have a thicker-than-average skin. But how do you go about not getting banned? My literally centrist views got me insulted and mocked to oblivion, and banned in two communities. It was so tiring.

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  • Pushback accepted. You're absolutely right, in the main case I mentioned the community was (technically) German and the mod was German.

    Alas, there were a bunch of other incidents on other communities that left a really bad taste in my mouth and in the end convinced me to avoid literally anything even slightly politics-adjacent on Lemmy. To be clear: I have totally mainstream political views, I don't regret anything I wrote anywhere (I would have deleted it otherwise). Anyone is free to look it up and argue back if they (or I) can be bothered, but we all know that this is unlikely to be productive (to put it politely). The de-facto impossibility of genuine debate on anything even slightly controversial does feel like a serious failing of social media. Discovering all this up close has unfortunately been a part of my experience here.

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  • Thanks, I appreciate that.