Not fair, conservatives show up to vote and therefore get more of their agenda done. Those tankies would leave us all for dead as long as it they keep their perceived purity.
Wouldn't surprising me if they already do. They got all kinds of stuff at their check points and you have few constitutional rights there (even less so in this admin)
That was a good play trying to tug on my heartstrings with the PLA except they’re not actually a good model to replicate in the Quest for liberation. Nice try though.
My point with it is that they were an underdog group with increasingly limited options, and they believed in what they were doing. They did what they needed to to pull ahead, and it was uncomfortable.
You don't go to war with the army you want, nor the partners you want. You go with what you have and make due. Make of that metaphor what you need for elections and why minimizing harm is important. If you are not willing to soldier on for that; then you are not helping us win the class war. That makes you not very serious. The alt right has upped the ante several times now and you are still not sure about what you really want to do, or if you can spare an evening to vote and help others outside of your state and county.
Like I said. I get why you are unhappy about the lesser evil, but you are leaving many of your fellow socialists and lefties out to hang and be defeated in detail. The NYC elections are exiting, but we need more than just islands of progressivism.
You keep saying that electoralism is one of the most important fronts for the class war.
So what about that statement negates the importance of other fronts?
I think electoralism should be practiced only in so far as we can get something pragmatically out of it.
100% agree and the only way you will is to engage with it and build out the critical mass of progressives; which we have not done.
Liberals have no idea where to put in their time and effort when it comes to making changes politically and it shows throughout this entire thread. You know you should at least read the commie books since they have a ton of information on how to properly organize a community and how to utilize their local power including when to use electoralism.
Says the guy that would rather spend an afternoon buying a jacket to insult fellow allies than to vote to help our causes. Like i said it is just one [important] front in the class war. And again, voting helps minimize the hostility you will get from city hall and state capital; which gives you more room for your local organizing. You might be privileged and unaffected, but your comrades are and you keeps saying you won't do it for them.
I get why you feel the DNC is gross; notice I never said the contrary? Still war is uncomfortable comrade, be a trooper and pull your weight in the fight. Sometimes that means you get to elect a progressive. Sometimes it means harm reduction. PLA had a famous retreat not a grand stand. You need to live to fight another day not surrender because the ideal outcome is not happening tomorrow. We are counting on you and you are letting us down with your rhetoric and behavior.
I simply Advocate that people shouldn’t waste their time advocating for the Democrats
And I am not. I am saying we need to vote for progressives where possible, and harm reduction where our options are more limited.
There are other places where our time is better utilized actually helping our community rather than wasting our breath on a political group that does not care about us and will not save us.
Do you want to screenshot where I said that this is not important? And you will never have a political group to help you and expand your efforts because you are not building one. And you are making life difficult for your allies by not doing so, what does that say about your support in the fight in the class war?
Have you not seen that I have conceded the point that people should at least go vote?
And yet you keep commenting to discourage people to do so. Would you call me out if I said no to show up to a meeting on organizing a garden because its not going to feed everyone? You would (and should)
Sorry you can't spare an evening every year comrade. And it is privileged that you can ignore politics that way. A privileged very few of us is afforded.
I will not vote between 99% hitler and 95% hitler. I am going to vote for “Not Hitler” and then encourage everyone to do the same and to not waste time trying to change a party that would offer “95% hitler” instead of a “Not Hitler”
Again, you are privileged that you can ignore politics. And you are right that its gross and messy, but that is the reality of [class] war. Get used to it soldier.
This is such pathetic loser behavior. I thought you were better than this but guess not.
Because you are very polite. Notice I never said anything negative of your leftist positions. We are on the same side. I am just asking you to beware that this is important and that your actions on that front have material consequences for many of us. You basically are like the shit libs from the rachet effect meme that keep progress from happening. If you don't vote you are stopping it from happening.
Just so you know I am the one @dastanktal@lemmy.ml was having that elections debate on. Unfortunately they are just very privileged and can afford to just wait until a perfect candidate shows up. I don't think they are wrong when they see something gross in the DNC and not want to be a part of it, but [class] war is by its nature very dirty. I have to say I am lucky to be white and not hunted down by ICE. I am lucky to not be cold and hungry because the IDF is placing my city under siege. Still I would vote for AOC because slowing down the funding for those things does help the most vulnerable. Ideally we are all on the same page: to just end this. Until we actually build a movement that materially produces policy and cultural change at every level of society we have to do settle for living to fight another day. I am afraid that Tanktal just isn't serious about the material conditions of those affected by neglecting elections.
I mean there has to be a few somewhere made this year. Reminds me tangentially of something I was reading during a statistics class, that due to many possibilities and infinite numbers I should be able to open my dryer and find all clothing folded.
Sewer Rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I wouldn't know 'cause I'd never eat the filthy motherfucka