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HM King Charles III DG FD

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A sinner and a Fediverse Advocate.

Proud citizen of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland 🇬🇧 Proud citizen of the European Union 🇪🇺

I hate strawmen.

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  • I don't believe you, because Christians have a habit of embellishing their stories. Every "former non-believer" I've ever met were really just non-practicing Christians who had been indoctrinated but fell away then later reaffirmed their faith for social reasons.

    😂😂😂 Somebody likes to make assumptions

    I don't believe in your strawman interpretation of Christianity either, don't worry.

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  • I used to be in the same boat- I just thought the rapture was a synonym for the second coming. It's rapture theology that's unbiblical, but not the second coming itself.

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  • Unitarianism is a completely different religion 🤦 even Islam is closer to Christianity than to Unitarianism

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  • All written decades after the events.

    Unlike most of history for that time, which was usually written centuries after the events.

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  • Elaborate why you're saying that and what you mean?

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  • I don't think there's a point answering the first as it relies on the second.

    Your assumption is wrong. I deconstructed my beliefs and ended up switching denomination because of it. And as I have said earlier - albeit to somebody else - the genetic fallacy doesn't hold any water. Most Christians I hang out with actually are converts themselves, including my closest brethren. I could also say "if you grew up in Saudi Arabia, you wouldn't be an atheist". Doesn't legitimise or delegitimise your beliefs. It depends on if you questioned your beliefs. If someone was raised atheist, decided to examine religions and stuck with atheism in the end, I don't think it would be fair to say that they were just indoctrinated as an atheist and discount their atheism. I questioned my own beliefs and they changed slightly, but I saw the rest were well grounded.

    Similarities in other religions predating Christianity aren't quite the same. Sure, some themes exist, but Christianity is quite original in the narrative.

    The translation of the Bible I use is the English Standard Version, which is translated from copies of the original greek manuscripts. Textual criticism is important. While we don't have the originals or even first generation copies, we have several new testament manuscripts spanning parts of Asia, Africa and Europe. And they all say roughly the same thing. Mistakes and variants (usually spelling errors, misplaced verses, at most a different or new paragraph) can easily be weeded out by looking at the majority of manuscripts. Thankfully - unlike most records from that time period - we have an abundance of new testament manuscripts to work from. If you have a Bible with footnotes (specifically thinking about my ESV here) it clearly states where there is a variant and we can't be sure. Such as John 8:1-11, the doxology of the Lord's prayer or the ending of Mark's Gospel.

    Hinduism and Buddhism (like most religions) both try and preach a Jesus. They both adapted to Jesus trying to make room for him. Buddhism compromised and claimed Jesus was a Bodhisvatta (Jesus Himself didn't - He claimed to be the One True God) and Hinduism tries to depict him as another rendering of god (Jesus said He was the only way).

    Proving the Trinity without first proving Christianity is pointless;

    The best place to start when looking into any religion is Jesus - He forms the biggest and is incorporated in basically all of them, so He's a good place to start. If Jesus is who He said He is, then what He said is true.

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  • That's modalism

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  • That'll make it 200% if they did

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  • A successful abortion always has at least a 100% fatality rate.

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  • And they do have story-breaking contradictions. Why is Matthew the only account that mentions dead people rising and roaming the city when Jesus died? That sure seems like an important part of the story to me, and most certainly worthy of the one sentence that it takes to express. If you were reading four different accounts of a mugging and one of them said there were a bunch of zombies around but nobody else mentioned them, wouldn't you find that a bit unbelievable?

    Either the others didn't have enough paper to do so, knowledge of it, or didn't see it as important. Matthew has already written it down anyway.

    How many people have you converted from non-believers to Christians? Why do you think it's so hard to convince people who weren't brought up in the church?

    Most of my Christian friends including my girlfriend were non believers who converted. I, personally, stopped practicing Christianity for a period of my life before re-examining my faith again and realising that yeah, it was rational and held up.

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  • Apart from whether or not The Holy Spirit proceeds from the son as well as The Father, opinion doesn't differ and all Christians agree on the triune God.

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  • Scientific knowledge shows that a foetus is a life

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  • Is this an actual theological position or did you just make it up

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  • We're not talking about the rapture, we're talking about the second coming.

    The rapture is the unbiblical doctrine that all of the people who are saved will just disappear and the rest will be left behind.

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  • Might also depend - were these aliens created also in God's image? Do they have original sin?

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  • How so?

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  • He forgives us if we come to Him :)

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  • Matthew 28:19

    Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

    Name is singular, and He is equating the Son and the Holy Spirit to the Father who is clearly God. Jesus also claims to be God numerous times.

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  • That's about infertility. The NIV isn't a very good translation and focuses less on what the text actually says and easy readability. A more accurate translation is the NRSV (although the ESV or even the KJV doesn't make this mistake- although it depends on whether you want to translate "thigh" as "womb" or literally render it, as thigh is a euphemism. However, the word "miscarry" in the sense that we understand it is not there)

    [27] When he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and has been unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain, and her womb shall discharge, her uterus drop, and the woman shall become an execration among her people. [28] But if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, then she shall be immune and be able to conceive children.

    Verse 28 says "be able to conceive children". It's quite clear that she wasn't already pregnant at this point.

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  • There are no "story-breaking" contradictions. The contradiction here is you claiming the authors had an agenda, but then they all contradicted. Which one is it?

    And what else could I have? Should I expect there to be a 2000 year old VHS tape lying about?

    Or should I be reasonable about it and expect an abnormal amount of written accounts for a society where paper or writing wasn't cheap in which most notable people like kings and such have 1 or 2 accounts about them written centuries later, or archaeological evidence and writings from people who lived closer to the time and believed in the events?