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  • what happens in the holodeck ,.. has to be cleaned by someone

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  • Yeah true screenshot not a photo.

    Anyway, it's very clearly stated in it that it's real food that he's providing, with a strong implication that otherwise it'd be holographic.

    But I think most of what you have is pure conjecture.

    You know, because the holodecks are about as scientific as the TARDIS.

    Which you just refuse to admit, despite the various contradictions one can just rattle a list of.

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  • I don't think you understand what our senses are capable of.

    You're literally just handwaving all the issues. Which is completely fine, as long as you stop pretending there's some actually reasonable science behind this fantasy-machine.

    The only limitations it has is the writer's imagination and the budget of the show. That's all. It's soft scifi.

    None of your explanations have even remotely explained anything. But you're refusing to accept they are actually handwavy soft scifi, which they very much are.

    Saying "volumetric displays and forcefields" doesn't make it rational that a group of people in a limited size room could think they're all in very different places in massive village for instance. That I could play tennis with you in the same village while there's a whole dancing competition going on in the same village but 3km away, with competitors and real people in thw audience.

    If you don't realise that 16 people in a small room the size of a couple of buses couldn't do that unless they're being essentially completely neurologically manipulated and just still instead of actually being on a tennis court, then I can accept it. It's completely just fooling your brain and not actually doing any of the things. That's acceptable. Pretending that saying "volumetric displays and forcefields" is a good explanation for any of that is beyond ridiculous.

    It's a soft scifi fantasy machine. Maybe you're just allergic to even thinking you might be watching fantasy instead of scifi and that just irks you doesn't it.

    But honestly, Outlander is harder scifi than this. And it's not especially technological. (It still is marked as scifi though or was at least)

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  • I provided you with an actual photograph with a quote that's clearly showing that holographic food isn't real, as otherwise Quark wouldn't need to offer the person real food.

    You're just saying "trust me bro, it's definitely real food"

    Sure, TNG has like water leaving the holodeck as wet people can walk out. But Voyager contradicts those notions.

    https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/143271/is-there-any-explanation-as-to-why-the-voyager-crew-dont-eat-on-the-holodeck

    Tldr;

    I just don't see a way this could work.

    Like I've said, the holo-tech is just beyond inconsistent and should not be anyones idea of "hard" scifi. The explanations contradict each other from one episode to the next and especially from one show to the next. It's soft scifi and I'm completely fine with that. Are you?

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  • pretty much halfway towards what holodeck does already.

    Yeah, a bad copy that's not affecting all of your senses as has lots of limitations?

    VR is fun but it's nowhere near fooling the senses properly. Proprioception, acceleration.

    You refuse to answer questions which I say can't be answered while still not agreeing with me that it's goddamn ludicrous to even suggest the holotech has anything to do with hard scifi.

    It's a pure fantasy machine only limited by the writer's imagination, nothing else.

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  • Yeah it's called a suite because it's not a deck of any sort on a ship.

    I'm still going to ask where you're getting "all the food is real" from?

    Nor do I think them necessarily not being federation holotech, which I also don't know where you're getting that, but since DS9 was under Cardassian rule and whatnot it's not entirely unbelievable.

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  • When you create a bar or a restaurant on the holodeck, all the food and drink there is real.

    Idk where you even got this idea but here, from DS9, which would seem to contradict that.

    S3e8 "Meridian"

  • Agree or disagree? A lie by omission is still a lie.

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  • People who palter often believe it is less unethical than outright lying

    God I hate those people (no wonder the example used is a used car salesman)

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    Smart glasses are 'an invasion of privacy' - Meta's are selling better than ever

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  • It very much depends, actually. You can totally take a photograph of a single person walking on the street. Especially if their face isn't clearly visible, like taking a photo from behind.

    It would be determined on a case by case basis. Ofc even unrecognised is wrong if you actually follow a person instead of just taking a shot of a random person for art.

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  • How is that interesting or news to anyone, honestly?

    I seriously don't understand in what sort of police state people thought they were living in that photography is banned in general public.

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  • Until now I assumed without checking that they obviously would be.

    Why, exactly? It's a camera. Cameras aren't illegal. You can do illegal things with cameras, but they're not inherently illegal.

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  • Thats like saying "it works because of magic"

    No amount of any technology would be able to make people think they're in a vast desert with others several kilometers away when theyre actually standing within arms reach.

    But the technobabble handwaving works for me.

    There's just absolutely zero point in pretending the holodecks are "hard scifi"

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  • In short; the holodeck doesn't "magic" its own power into existence.

    Yes, I'm aware. But even when they were running on strictly least power, they kept the holodecks up for entertainment. So yeah, some things about it won't ever make sense.

    I just watched voyager a while ago I should be able to remember it better damn.

    But anyway, even just having a large tenniscourt. Larger than the holodeck is. Let's say 16 tennis fields each with human players, and then the whole stages filled with people. How is none of that coming against the limitations of a small room? See what i mean. If everyone stands in one corner. Then how do you emit a town that should be just a display on the walls, but everyone can start traveling in opposite directions if they so choose.

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  • Hmm I wonder if one could get pregnant on the holodeck. And could you then just pause it and continue another day? And would the computer read and write biological or holographic information?

    How would that work?

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  • If all holodeck food was real edible food, Voyager could've used it to stock up on food. As it is, it was coveted with "holodecks have their own power sources" or smth iirc and no-one went in there to nourish their bodies, just souls.

    Like how could people in a limited size room actually be further away from each other than they actually are? Not to mention a whole ship full of people running around in a single town.

    Let's face it the holodeck isn't exactly hard science, has too many logical holes in it from the start.

    It's just a fantasy machine and I'm fine with that.

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  • I don't think they were trusted. It's just one of those "pay-to-win" things. Can't have people not graduating from Princeton or even getting bad grades. That would mean they'd need to improve something.

    So just pretend like no-one is cheating, so you can have good grades to geta nice job with. Probably in politics. Or is that Eaton?

  • Fried rice, mostly from scraps.

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  • Fried rice, mostly from scraps.

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  • Oh damn those do look good.

    When you say chicken eggs are 70/30 is that 30 yolk and rest is white, or the other way around? Because I can't tell for some reason, might be either. 30 yolk makes sense by volume of the egg I guess, but just the uncooked white always seems less than there is of it.

    I'm jealous of having geese and especially of having a place to have geese at. Don't think they'd like my shadowy balcony much. Guess I perhaps get one as an indoor pet, hmm.... Nah, they're social, I wouldn't. But on the other hand.... No no, I'll just go check the vendor here who's supposed to have geesefarm products. Dk what products though, I fear it's gonna be frozen goose instead of eggs.

    Like you say, looks awesome for dipping. I love looseish egg yolks. Mmm. Is the taste any different, perhaps richer in some way idk?

  • Fried rice, mostly from scraps.

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  • Geese? Please.

    Where does thou get geese egg from?

    I was gonna say I don't know of a single place here in Finland, but I did some Googling, found a geesefarm, they have a list of vendors they sell to and one of them I know from the market hall in my city.

    Might try some if I see them. Got to go around and check.

    Looks good.

  • Post-modern internet media critic.

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  • Exactly. Sexual innuendo.

    Or who here or in the audiences actually thought the protagonist was going murdered in the middle of a movie like that?

    No-one.

    Thinly veiled sexual innuendo. Not perhaps from the characters own perspective, but we're not her, we're looking at the movies as structure. Did you by the way know the rule "any announced plans never happen". And even the audience doesn't know they know it, they do. Like whenever a hero goes over their plan or something. Any actual promises or plans that are announced and "will happen" never do. So "I will kill yourself if you don't stop your horny (average looking) ass from from horning after me" actually becomes more like "I won't kill you, despite you continuing exactly like before"

    And even then GoG movies still have a better female character, Nebula.