Supposedly, I am a human, who does very human things.
This is what a 12 year old thinks is deep.
Actual adults read voting records, look at policy differences, look at the people a party is catering to, and understand that life is not fairytales and fluffy floating cakes.
Whether a politician does or doesnt care is irrelevant.
Whether they are the closest available vessel to get you closer to your goals and to keep the people around you safe is what does.
You're thinking with your heart. I think I need to spell this out so: The heart has no brain cells.
There is an extremely obvious difference between the fourth reich and boring neoliberals. If you can't recognize that, you are either being disingenuous or can't get a handle of your emotions over the fact that getting the perfect party you want is impossible, and getting a party close to what you want will take a very long amount of time, requiring a lot of consistency, supporting mid candidates, and will be unfun and boring.
This is just foolishness.
Its completely childish to pretend that if you ignore the current system, it will ignore you.
That is what you are saying they should do, rather than realize a magic uprising will not come, and change is slow and laborious as opposed to fashionable, pithy, snarky phrasing.
Thats the reality the other person understands and you fail to.
You literally cannot reform the system if you hand republicans wins like you have.
Reform is a very very long ways away, and is slowed down every time the democrats lose, and therefore shift even further right.
You have it all backwards.
Its interesting all of the so called "socialists" when their faux beliefs are called out in detail, just bark the same thing that has just been disproven, and pretend that if only exactly the platform of their dreams were run, in a sperical cow friction-less universe that doesnt exist, everything would be hunky dory.
Unfortunately we live in a real world with real constraints. The real world had what it had, and you chose to not participate, or even worse, support the bad guys because you didn't get your way.
You're attempted gotchas continue to be a way from you diverting from the fact you have absolutely no rebuttals for any of the many reasons that your core arguments don't work or criticisms of your rhetoric.
I can't even begin to think about the contortion needed to come up with that logic.
There is a reason its not backed up with anything.
Im guessing the best youll be able to string together will be so contrived itll be some nonsense like "Biden had ICE too, so that means he did the same thing as the Gestapo" or some equally insane nonsense.
When it comes down to the brass tacks???
Who the hell do you think is supporting marginalized people having the voter protections that everyone else gets?
Who do you think supports them not being discriminated against or even bothering to run studies on this information?
Who do you think are the people working to improve programs that often are mostly aimed at them, through a federal government that currently is basically gridlocked and only allows the controlling parties control over the purse in essence?
Your statement is baseless bothsiderism.
Once again, the republicans are literally actively discriminating against them, disappearing them off the street, doing forced sterilizations, and more.
Dafuq you mean they don't support them more?
Back up that statement, because I'm not seeing it.
If Democrats cared about Latinos they would have pushed back against their party when Biden pushed for the largest expansion of detention centers and the highest increase of federal funding they've ever received. Biden laid the ground work for what Trump is currently doing.
Do you know what nuance is?
Do you know why democrats were doing that? Because people such as yourself seemed even less reachable to them than the morons and bigots that voted trump in. That was an attempt to compromise. A misguided attempt thinking that they would respond to facts and numbers.
Biden laid the ground work for what Trump is currently doing.
No he fucking didn't. ICE is raiding primary schools and hiring like a silicon valley blitz scaling startup.
You only look for attempts at gotchas because you don't actually give a fuck about other people. You just want to feel right when making the world worse, pretending there is somehow any practical plan for the democrats to go from zero to hero in a day.
You ignore the real steps to achieving your goals, because it doesnt allow you to gloat while hurting other people, and its slow, unfun, and involves supporting people you feel are mid; you know, the things the actual leftists do gritting their teeth because they look up facts and don't say absurd shit like
When it comes down to brass tacks Democrats don't support those marginalized communities anymore than Republicans. They use them as human shields to defend their shitty policies and use it to silence dissent that's harming everyone
You are so fucking far from your goal its a farce that you keep acting like there are direct steps towards it.
I want to live in Startrek as much as the next person, but that is not happening within my lifetime, or the lifetime of anyone born right now.
It is an illness to be so far up ones own ass that people can be extra-judicially killed, kidnapped, sterilized, arrested for their free speech and more, and then you turn around and pretend a mid center to center right party is the same thing as the fascists.
I guess its easy for you to say when your ass isn't the first on the chopping block.
God damn champagne socialists.
Liberals in general don't give a fuck about who's getting hurt, their concern lies in who's doing the hurting.
Heres the thing about the chronically online "leftist" viewpoints.
They all seem to come from a place of feeling superior while doing nothing or worse.
What are the actions of these people you hate, Im assuming to mean pragmatical leftists and liberals both of whom don't want hitler 2.0: Electric Bugaloo?
They tried to support it not happening and are now the ones actually doing anything whatsoever. They are the senators, mayors, running obstruction and to a lesser extent people out protesting.
Instead, you're there focusing on criticizing, not the people doing the harm, but the people trying to stop it, for not perfectly aligning with you policy wise before in the election where you tacitly voted for the horrendous shit happening right now.
Marginalized communities remain marginalized regardless of who's in office
Guess what? You can't get your magic one day revolution. Changing the status of people takes a really long fucking time in such a system. Those are the facts of the system. You can sit it out and pout that it magically doesnt happen, or realize the system is what it is, and then do something within it or about it, rather than waxing lyrical about it online, dumping on the people who do.
The fact is, when the democrats, a center to center right party do not have a senate majority, there is very little they can do that isnt purse control, but you know what happens when they're in power? Marginalized people do better, and see better outcomes and lives.
Expecting a whole new world is just naivety
Your party supports marginalized communities as far as using them as background filler while the old white people speak for them
Ah yes, all the outspoken POC people in the democrat party are secretly white people, and the 85% or higher number of black people voting for them have no voices.
Your entire attitude is just one that does not care about marginalized people past using them as ammunition for the people closest in political goals to you.
Some people have the same political goals to you and you still rant about them because they aren't being idealistic do nothings.
It doesn't "make sense" as in a general rule, it "makes sense" as in most games are designed in such a fashion where this is the case.
It think that is completely ok though. There are many shot guns around with all sorts of variety, and its far too rare that a game lets them be what they would be.
It would be great to show that yea, for a normal person, a shotgun is indeed the ultimate anti infantry weapon.
I would love for a fairytale ending where AOC takes it in a landslide but I think anyone pretending a dark skinned minority woman can win in this climate might just be brain dead.
I me a if magically she wins the primaries by a landslide great, but she won't, and worse yet, unlike Mamdani who is fighting uphill both ways, she's not nearly as sharp on her feet and she can't promise as much as he has because without a senate majority you just can't make that much change in the USA.
More than that, she would have to work with the other democrats who obviously are center right, so pushing through progressive policies would be extremely difficult.
You also have to remmebr that the billionaires that control ad spend wouldn't be spending very much on her, and let me put it this way, Lemmy is a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the reach the platforms they own have.
These are the realities I feel many hyper online leftists don't want to acknowledge.
Given the realities, Newsom is the most solid choice to put out the immediate fire that I've seen floated so far.
Truly, I am so thankful these people are on the fringe.
They somehow think they are better than the only people actually trying to put out the fire because firefighting is dirty work and their hands aren't dirty.
This is some truly insane reasoning where your house is on fire, but you're like "let's worry about flood season in a few months."
You don't stop the fire, it won't be around for the flood.
The very first sentence is an insane line of reasoning considering that woke still has its meaning from the civil rights era to republicans, and they're just that bigoted whereas purity test is asking people to not be immature naive children getting other people killed by their idealism.
To say that liberals don't keep their candidates to any type of standards when liberals are the only party that has top people resigning after controversies errupt is brain dead idealism.
You saying you don't vote for or support democrats means you hate trans people, black people, Latino people, and all the other people who are being severely harmed by your childish inability to see nuance and accept pragmatism over fairytale idealism.
And they will be completely fucking right with how utterly shortsighted that particular firing of the footgun would be.
Hes a generic white man in a party that will always try to shoot off the legs of progressives.
Until there is a progressive on the federal level with the charisma and fast thinking of Mamdani, this is the safe bet to stop marginalized people from being disappeared of the streets and tortured, sterilized, deported or killed, and stop the insane levels of corruption back down to the somehow now quaint Nancy Pelosi levels of corruption.
You people are literally hurting people who did not sign up to be hurt. Why do you think your idealistic purity politics matter more than other people's lives???
Its God damn insane, immoral and at best naive.
I think you completely missed my point.
You are being aggressive and short tempered with someone who is your ally.
There is no justifiable reason to treat people this way.
All the snark does not help. That's not how to have a productive conversation. You know that messaging matters and so all this could possibly mean is that you care more about feeling good from being snarky than actually improving anything.
Alternatively this type of bothsiderism while one side is literally disappearing marginalized people off the streets and doing who knows what with them, while doing corruption on a scale never seen, only hurts all that you believe in and encourages apathy.
I don't think this take is fully thought out.
Their system is monumentally slow.
For important decisions, they need a super majority in the senate and a majority in the house, and the presidency, and then they need to word it extremely carefully to not have it monkeys paw'd by the supreme Court.
They haven't had an actionable super majority for over a quarter century.
The reason they appear not to do much is because without bipartisan support or all the things I just mentioned they can basically only change how money is spent and taxes (only sorta IIRC).
Basically, your comment hurts everyone by encouraging voter apathy due to pushing ideas that aren't compatible with the reality of their slow system.
Is the DNC filled with center right people who love a lot of the bad things in place? Yes.
Are there still absolutely positive changes they would make given the opportunity? Also yes.
Is it possible to change the party through primaries and local politics? Also yes.
Anyhow, my point is, it needs to be considered the system they're working in before loose accusations are thrown at them.
Finally, we here in Canada could literally have proportional representation right now, giving everyone's vote equal weighting and giving us true choice and increased leverage over politicians, but we don't, despite having a majority liberal government and so what I am saying, is having the supposed left leaning party win (or in their case less right), still doesn't garunteed results, but it does garunteed you won't ramp up the very real discrimination and crony corruption like you see when right wing governments win.
It matters, even if choices are mid is the point.
Christ almighty.
With allies like you, who needs enemies.
As mentioned in my other reply, it's disappointing it's obvious now you're the first troll I've met on Lemmy with the simple trolling tactic of just saying "You believe thing you don't and no I don't have to have a reason" line of fake leftist trolling.
Why waste your time trolling people where barely anyone else will even see it. I don't understand what you get out of it.
It's obvious you are simple troll at this point so there is no point continuing. This is the first troll I've met on Lemmy but still disappointing.
You won't get a rise out of me with your simple "I'll just say you believe bad thing you don't believe while pretending to be a leftist" rhetoric.
I'd like to think that, but the fact he got similar votes this past election to the previous one and she got less than Biden did (Hillary got less than Biden did too while they both ran essentially the same campaigns) tells a different story.