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Cowbee [he/they]

@ Cowbee @lemmy.ml

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Actually, this town has more than enough room for the two of us

He/him or they/them, doesn't matter too much

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  • "Leftism" as a concept originated in the revolutionary side of the French Revolution. Leftism is inherently tied to forward progress. As for socialism (which you call communism), it has worked dramatically well every single time it has been established. It has resulted in removal of the former capitalist and landlord classes from power, and a dramatic uplifting in the lives of the working classes. Your assessment is utterly detached from actual historical evidence.

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  • How is the definition I gave wrong? You keep stating this but offer no actual explanation. Further, again, you dodge my question regarding anarchists and liberals called "tankies" for supporting socialist states, and just call me stupid for doing so. Why can't you answer? I can't imagine this attitude is useful for your real life organizing efforts, assuming you do actually organize.

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  • I never equated tankies with all leftists, I gave a fully valid interpretation of the word that should satisfy both of us. You haven't actually engaged with that, just doubled down on insult for no apparent reason. I can't imagine this attitude is useful for the organizing work I assume you do.

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  • I'm honestly offended, lol.

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  • Why would socialism not be right wing in a communist society? If we advance to fully collectivized production and distribution, and a stateless, classess society, reintroducing class, the state, and decentralized production would be reactionary and take us backwards.

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  • I already did.

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  • The definition I gave is the one that makes the most practical sense, and is a better identification for a group we both know exists. It's why anarchists and liberals are often also called tankies from time to time, and it's situational, it relates directly to support for existing socialist states. Further, tankies are liked by billions. China is seen very positively around the world, especially by its own people. Even in the US, the Black Panther Party is one of the most beloved political parties in history. Tankies are rising in popularity, not decreasing.

    You say that "authleft" is simple for describing tankies, but how does that account for the anarchists and liberals that people call tankie? Is your point that all of them are secretly "authleft?" Further, what is authleft, just support for socialism with a state? If so, then the vast majority of the left is unquestionably "tankie," leaving only the anarchists as non-tankie leftists. Further, it again erases the anarchists and liberals called tankie!

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  • People downvote troll my account sometimes, because I'm a vocal communist.

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  • Honestly it can be a coin flip, but I'm also banned from many of the instances that agree with Rimu thanks to the fiasco. That's also why I tend to not be downvoted so much anymore, they literally cannot see my comments from Piefed.social.

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  • I swear it isn't...

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  • If I were to give my own definition of what constitutes a tankie, I’d say it’s anyone who defends existing socialist states, past or present. Those socialist states are generally understood to be the USSR, PRC, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, DPRK, GDR, etc. The defense tankies give is not in accepting both bourgeois historiography as accurate but justified, but instead in directly combatting bourgeois historiography. Tankie is also a pejorative for these people, used to convey the strawman of the person that believes the lies of the Red Scare but believes them to be justified.

    In that case, I am definitely a tankie. I spend a good deal of time talking about socialism both past and present, and arguing for how we can expand that movement and carry it to the future. I am definitely a defender of socialist states, I just don’t believe the common allegations such as “100 million were killed by communism” are at all accurate. I don’t think you’ll find someone who believes the 100 million number but also thinks it’s good and justified.

    It’s also useful to understand it in this manner because it explains why even anarchists and liberals are called “tankie.” The throughline about defending existing socialism is the central identifier of a tankie, and the use of tankie to dismiss those who defend socialism as it exists in the real world is also covered by this understanding.

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  • If I were to give my own definition of what constitutes a tankie, I’d say it’s anyone who defends existing socialist states, past or present. Those socialist states are generally understood to be the USSR, PRC, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, DPRK, GDR, etc. The defense tankies give is not in accepting both bourgeois historiography as accurate but justified, but instead in directly combatting bourgeois historiography. Tankie is also a pejorative for these people, used to convey the strawman of the person that believes the lies of the Red Scare but believes them to be justified.

    In that case, I am definitely a tankie. I spend a good deal of time talking about socialism both past and present, and arguing for how we can expand that movement and carry it to the future. I am definitely a defender of socialist states, I just don’t believe the common allegations such as “100 million were killed by communism” are at all accurate. I don’t think you’ll find someone who believes the 100 million number but also thinks it’s good and justified.

    It's also useful to understand it in this manner because it explains why even anarchists and liberals are called "tankie." The throughline about defending existing socialism is the central identifier of a tankie, and the use of tankie to dismiss those who defend socialism as it exists in the real world is also covered by this understanding.

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  • What part, and how so?

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  • Yes. Geneva I see as a well-meaning radlib with better political instincts than most. Can decently be on the right side, but without coherent political training of their own, they get caught in streamer worship.

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  • You don't seem to get what makes something left vs. right. It's about what direction they take us, in the direction of the status quo, being right wing, or if they take us forwards to socialism, being left wing. In the future, socialism will be right wing, and communism will be left wing. That's just how it is, we must proceed forward exactly as much as we can without letting idealism cloud our judgement.

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  • I'm not redefining it. Historically, leftism has been used to describe those who wish to advance to the next mode of production historically, ie those who are progressive, while rightism is to conserve or turn the clock backwards. BBC and NYT are both on the side of dying capitalism, wishing to drag the moribund body of capitalism, while leftists would be the socialists and communists. In the French revolution, capitalism was left, because it represented a movement beyond the monarchy and into capitalism.

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  • Both are right-wing. Both uphold capitalism, imperialism, and Zionist genocide. Leftism begins at socialism.

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  • Yes.

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  • There have been a few fiascos about it. It isn't exactly unknown, but it isn't exactly advertised either.