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  • Protests are only taking action if they are disruptive. Standing in a corner with signs while people go about their day is as effective as sharing memes on Lemmy.

    Wait for Elections is waiting 10 months, not taking action now.

  • The last civil war we had killed 600,000 to 700,000 and that's without modern weapons.

    I agree, as time goes on a Civil war gets more destructive.

    Therefore, delaying a civil war by 4-8 years will result in more destruction than if citizens stand up for themselves now. Either way, according to your arguments the civil war will happen eventually.

  • If going back to doing nothing and kicking the can down the road is the only way to avoid a civil war then I have bad news for you: you're not avoiding anything, you're just trying to delay it for another 4 years while things continue to get worse and more people get killed.

  • These people saw The Handmaid's Tale as a "How-to" guide.

  • No, that's the stated purpose of the 2nd amendment. The real purpose is for emotional support rifles.

  • It will likely flip back in 2028, but we have to flip the House back in 2026, ideally the House and Senate but that's unlikely.

    JFC, that's the solution? Wait 10 months and hopefully flip house but probably not the Senate?

    Then everything returns to the stagnant status quo that resulted in this situation in the first place. Dems continue to be toothless, Republicans continue to prevent anything from happening, continue to face zero consequences, and are further emboldened to go even further next time because why the fuck not? Either they succeeded in the fascist takeover or nothing happens and they just try again.

    That's the best you can hope for?

  • You say this as mass protest is currently forcing change in Iran.

    And how many people died in those protests? You need to be ready to defend yourselves and until Americans are willing to do anything with the slightest risk to it nothing will change.

  • Also, when MAGA is removed from office, the entire MAGA administration should be ruled invalid, and all legislation, executive orders, and especially pardons should be rolled back. Round up the criminals, and put them back in prison, including the Jan 6 Traitors.

    Should, yes. And after Jan 6 Trump should have been held accountable. Instead nothing happened until he was elected a 2nd time and the case was dropped. I have no faith that what should happen will actually happen.

  • Eventually, over a thousand were convicted

    And Trump gave a blanket pardon to all of them.

    We are just getting started, and the Midterm Election is the next big milestone.

    I'm sure the people in Venezuela, Mexico, and Greenland will be glad to hear that action might be taken after the midterms. Plenty of time for Trump to destroy NATO with his illegal invasion of an "allied" nation.All the people being kidnapped and shot by ICE just need to wait until the midterms!

  • Those crowds carry an very clear implicit threat: "We're here, we're pissed off, and we're getting angrier, and we're ORGANIZED!"

    And yet despite those crowds, here we are. The crowds and numbers did not prevent this. Action is needed.

  • Are you doing anything other than judging others online? You are welcome to organize something.

    Fucking Americans. "Why isn't somebody else doing this for us?"

  • Shift? How can they shift towards white supremacy when they are already 100% white supremacy?

  • You're not going to vote your way out of fascism. They'll just refuse to seat any Democrat that gets elected. They did that for a month already and faced zero consequences for doing so.

  • General strikes and Civil disobedience won't work now?

    Are they happening now? Or is everyone having another "We Don't Like Trump Convention" for a weekend before they clean everything up nicely and go home in time to be at work on Monday?

  • It doesn't have to be violent but it does have to be disruptive. The "Don't cause too much trouble, clean up after yourselves, and be home by 11" protests aren't doing a damn thing.

  • They aren't seeing any crowds of MAGAs counter protesting, just their opponents, and they are growing.

    The No Kings protest had record numbers of people and achieved nothing. That's because it had a limited time frame and a mandate to not be disruptive.

    It doesn't matter how many people you have if you annouce ahead of time "we will gather until 10:00pm, then clean up after ourselves and go home." That just tells the people you are opposing that they can ignore you and you will leave on your own.

    Those numbers only matter if you take action with them until you get results. The protests need to be every day and continuous until Trump is removed from office. Not "evenings and weekends while we still continue to go to work and provide value to the oligarchs."

  • they are in the streets every week or every evening.

    It needs to be every day. It needs to be desrupting day to day functions, and it needs to have an end goal not an end time.

    Staying in your designated spaces on Saturday and Sunday then going back to work on Monday just means you can be ignored until you give up.

  • So it would be effective at preventing your site from being used as training data.

  • Not surprising. I had to remove my credit card information from Amazon because I kept getting automatically signed up for Prime without my consent.