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Avicenna

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  • June was a rough month for privacy!

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  • That’s your source?

    Because “korben” said so? And their “source” that they list. Does not support their claim. Doesnt even mention it.

    So… where are you getting this “parasite” comment from?

    This message cries "denial reflex" all over it. I mean look at it you have like everything: triple double quotations, the "So...". If you can't relay your intent in your messages correctly, that is on you not me. But you sure did give a very emotional reply for someone who does not care much about the topic. It doesn't have to be that you like or care about this party. Maybe you like Mullvad and don't like the idea of bearing the emotional responsibility of using it after these news. Maybe you don't like the fact that every month someone/some entity claiming to be pro privacy and pro human rights turn out to be connected in some way to a white supremacist right wing scum. I would not know why, that is for you to understand.

    But i have far better things to do.

    If you just skimmed through the topic, it would have taken you less time to find the other sources that I or someone else put here than to write this very emotional comment. Your snarky comment really has no foundation to stand on. If you are lazy and don't like to read or do research on your own terms, then you should perhaps learn to communicate to people. If you are so disinterested in the topic you have spent far more time talking about it than it would have taken you to find other links in this topic or on the internet. If your intent is to

    In any case, I am sure most people will be willing to provide resources if you ask nicely. However if your default reflex is to try to shit on someone's comment, most times the answer you will get is "fuck you find your own resources".

  • Everyone has to learn this lesson the hard way

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  • "In here we are like a family"

  • June was a rough month for privacy!

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  • If you see a source which you think is dubious and can't do your own research to see whether or not that holds up, you probably should stay away from the internet. On the other hand many people will respond more positively to resource request if your default settings is not to shit on references that are already presented because you don't like what is being said there.

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  • Islam is by definition a supremacist hateful ideology, Western supermacist ideology is by definition a supermacist hateful ideology. And what you do right is the number of strategy from the alt-right playbook called "accusation in a mirror", I wasn't born yesterday buddy. You are not completely doing it right though, you missed the deny step and jumped right into accusing immigrants of "spreading hateful ideologies" after calling them parasites/leeches.

    Source: I actually studied that shit. You need to study more, starting by actually having a idea about the references you put forward in a discussion.

    But let’s be honest, you just care about virtue signaling You are the one who said immigrants have a tendency for "spreading hateful ideologies" and then presented a 300 page fiscal report as proof. You just care about bullshitting your way through your prejudices claiming "they are backed by science". And then someone disproves your claim and you move the goal post to "you are not open to learning". Yea no that won't win you any arguments.

    Again, I don’t care about your opinion, or your insult. If you have fact based data, I’m all ears, but let’s be honest, you’re running on copium.

    I don't need to insult you, you are doing a good job of insulting yourself and the humanity at large. I have presented more relevant links to why your reference is shit and unrelated to religion or anything about immigrants spreading hateful ideologies than you ever did supporting your views (and on top of references saying why even from a fiscal point of the report is not reliable). Ball is in your court buddy but don't try too hard and hurt yourself. Also don't waste your energy trying to replicate Charlie Kirk's "I am a civilized debater everyone else who criticizes me is a junky trying to insult me because I am right" victim game around here. You can keep repeating that until infinity and it won't gain you any sympathy.

  • Apocalypse Bunker Fails as Wealthy Residents Turn on Each Other

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  • I am ok if they just never come out even if they don't have to die. Like lets all pretend the world is about to end then we will tell them 100 years later.

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  • well ofcourse they would, they tend to all think that they are the main characters and everyone else is just an NPC

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    Romanes eunt domus

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  • Ask that guy who took an arrow to the knee and left the legion

  • borrow checker?

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  • "Borrow checker?"

    "Thanks bro but don't need your checker got my own"

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  • This is based on different scientific studies actually,

    Have you read what I have written? Can you parse sentences like "Your claim of spreading hateful religion is based on prior prejudices and ignorance". If the answer is yes, have you actually read all of the report you linked? Or did you just find a three hundred page pdf and decided to throw that in the discussion in the hopes that I will look at it and give up? Show exactly where in this document does it say anything about "We didn’t even bring up the negative social contribution to society, like spreading hateful religions and ideologies like Islam and all the negative baggage and social regressions that come with it." Yeah that is right, you can not. You probably even haven't read beyond the first page. You are just run of the mill right wing racist trying to support your hateful ideologies by a fiscal analysis report (which is a dubious one at best), it is so pathetic. Even Grok is probably more convincing than you and Elon is more sincere.

    I would try to humor your comments on financial aspects but even then, it is not certain that the analysis in this report holds up. I know you are not interested in science but I will put these here for anyone who sees this report, see below (This is translated from nl.wikipedia) :

    According to NRC, Van de Beek is on the periphery of science, his ideas differ greatly from most established migration experts and he makes calculations on his own that are not subject to scientific peer review. Because his report 'Boundless Care State' and his report for the Vlaams Belang have never undergone a peer review by independent scientists, according to NRC, the scientific content of these reports is controversial.[ 1]

    Professor of migration history Leo Lucassen stated that the pessimistic conclusions in Van de Beek’s report ‘Boundless Care State’ “seem to be primarily intended to legitimize the xenophobic views of Thierry Baudet and his own”.[ 5] De Beek and his fellow researchers received the support of emeritus professor Jaap van Duijn, who wrote in a column: “The scientists also deal with the still heard view that immigration is necessary to prevent the ageing population.”[ 9] After a fact check, Pointer indicates that a number of claims by Van de Beek in 'Boundless Care State' are unfibilable, because one lacks access to the correct CBS figures.[ 10] Emeritus professor of public finance Harrie Verbon criticizes the report 'Boundless Care State' in the scientific journal 'TPEDigitaal'. According to Verbon, the method used for the study is “based on assumptions that cannot be verified”. According to him, this method can lead “to an overestimation of the costs”. He also denounces “the not very transparent underpinning of the calculated high migration costs”.[ 10] Verbon states that the report is based on the incorrect implicit assumption “that there can be no development in the adaptation of migrants to the Dutch situation.” He specifically criticises the assumption that education disadvantages – and therefore also disadvantages in labour market performance – can hardly be caught up in by non-western immigrants. This is also contradicted by data from the CBS Annual Report Integration 2020, which shows that “the employment rate for the non-western migrants of the first generation was 58.6% in 2020, while for the second-generation non-western migrants, that was equal to 67.2%. For the same migrant group, the call for assistance in 2020 was 16.6% for the first generation and 4.3% for the second generation.”[ 11]

    According to De Standaard, the report that Van de Beek wrote for Vlaams Belang curses firmly on a number of points with the conclusions of other scientists. Professor of Sociology Hein de Haas refers to calculation methods, such as those of Van de Beek, “which are very dependent on assumptions about all kinds of factors, such as future labour participation, remigration and tax levels”. De Haas also warns that “the conclusion of the studies often depends on how we look at the data and at what time”. “The temptation is lurking for think tanks and interest groups to interpret the data in such a way that it supports their political agenda, pro- or anti-migration.” Furthermore, according to De Haas, the impact of immigration on the budget, whether positive or negative, is very small anyway. Several studies concluded that the net tax contribution of immigration is usually within +1 or -1 percent of GDP. According to de Haas, migrants are also increasingly working in sectors of essential services, such as care, which makes them act as a mainstay of the welfare state.[ 6]

    Cultural historian Steije Hofhuis judges that the abundant data in the book 'Migratiemagnet Nederland' offer valuable corrections to common ideas, but that the book sometimes skips very migration pessimistically. Van de Beek argues in that book that in low-skilled migrants, even if they work, their net contribution to the treasury is negative. According to Hofhuis, this misunderstands the indispensable economic value of low-skilled labour and low-skilled workers structurally, would lead to huge staff shortages and rising costs. With drastic migration restrictions, the risk of a stagnation society, similar to Japan, is lurking. According to Hofhuis, Van de Beek also sees cultural differences as too robust, while former immigration societies such as the United States and Brazil show that persistent cultural differences can erode within a few generations.[ 7]

    Professor of Sociology Hein de Haas and professor of migration history Leo Lucassen describe Van de Beek’s opinion contributions as “political voting and selective shopping in the facts”.[ 12] A fact check from BNR Nieuwsradio about the exact percentage of status holders receiving a benefit was in favour of Van de Beek. According to BNR, the caveat must be made that the status holders were not allowed to work for a long time, so you cannot conclude that they do not want to work. Another caveat is that people with a foreign name are also less likely to have a job interview. Furthermore, with more recent refugee flows, the labour force participation is better.

    And another (again in dutch so translate them if you don't know dutch, I won't quote this time for brevity but list other short comings of the report):

    https://www.socialevraagstukken.nl/migratiesamenleving/debat-over-controversieel-onderzoek-naar-kosten-migratie/

    Don't waste energy in trying to hide your intentions behind fiscal calculations, you have already made it quite obvious.

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  • I spent a good couple minutes trying to see a beaver swimming on its back

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  • Your claim of spreading hateful religion is based on prior prejudices and ignorance where as this guy here directly calls them parasites and you are trying to soften it into something like a play on words lol. I haven't seen something this delusional in quite a while. It is on par with people trying to say that Elon was not giving a Nazi salute he was just reaching out with his heart. Were you by any chance one of those people? This comment of yours alone spreads more hate than most immigrants I have seen.

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  • Nah, I cited other sources in this topic which point to the tv program where he said it. It is not that hard to verify, it is all over the internet. I have given enough pointers, do your research instead of puking your default reflex of rejecting something you don't like.

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  • You can do all this and also call minorities parasites at the same time. That is the Nazi regime for you in a nutshell, great if you are a member of the group horrible if not. Not every fascism is like the US where the government is horrible against both the immigrants and its own citizens.

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  • "Örebropartiet's obsession is "re-emigration" - i.e., sending all immigrants out of the country - which their leader Markus Allard describes as getting rid of "parasites.""

    Örebro politician Markus Allard said in a debate that “we have to send out these fucking parasites”.

    Note also discussing immigration is very different from discussing re-emigration. Most clearly defining political ideology for this party seems to be populist national conservative. Such an ideology can easily pivot to Nazi like far-right fascism once there is enough support. It is a much easier route to take than going far right from the start.

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  • Not just donated, is the biggest funder apparently.

  • "'I don’t like that he made this donation' — Mullvad CEO reacts to co-founder’s donation to controversial Swedish populist party"

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  • Hmm calling a direct quote from you a made up statement... Seems like you have some issues to sort out.

  • "'I don’t like that he made this donation' — Mullvad CEO reacts to co-founder’s donation to controversial Swedish populist party"

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  • where political parties receive funds from the state - makes them dependable and controllable by the state.

    Lol, what so you think its easier to implement a fair support scheme for political parties through private means than govermental means? You prefer political parties be dependent on whims of private companies who only make these donations with strings attached? You think donations don't make parties controllable by their donors if they are private? There is simply no logic to this statement.

    I am sure you are gonna make an argument along the lines of "but look what if all these donations depended on the current US goverment, surely it couldn't be worse than a private company". That means you are missing the big picture and how Trump got into goverment in the first place. Pointing at a government that is so shit because it has million strings attached to other entities including zionist lobbies and tech giants and then saying being dependent on goverment for election funds is dangerous is just bad logic. It is also quite delusional to think that one could have a fair donation scheme where interest of private companies are involved. Lobbying has been the menace of democracy for well over a century.

    Also the very fact that politicial parties need on the order of hundereds of millions of dollars for campaigning is already outrageous enough. Things like super PACs is just another loophole to get the party with more connections in power. All of these can be much better regulated with laws and not letting private companies run rampant on politics.

    What company? Daniel Berntsson used his personal funds.

    All you are doing with this statement is you are pointing at a loophole. Does not matter, personal funds can still be used to do lobbying for a company. So whatever stricter implementations one should come up with it should try to cover and punish loopholes like this to reduce frequency of it happening.

  • "'I don’t like that he made this donation' — Mullvad CEO reacts to co-founder’s donation to controversial Swedish populist party"

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  • good, then make the punishment heavy enough so that even if a few are caught, they are made examples of. I am thinking if the illegal lobbying money is higher than a certain amount he is forced to step down and the company is run by a board of truestees for a year. Will they be able to find ways around it? Sure they are resourceful and have an army of lawyers shamelessly trained at finding loopholes, but it will be much harder than now which is basically a walk in the park for them.

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  • "donation"? this is called lobbying. And it should be illegal.